AI girlfriends increasingly become a topic.. how will this affect dating?

[DarkKnight]

Interesting development with AI girlfriends on the rise. As most of us know people tend to like quick fixes... With the increase of incels and detoriation of dating dynamics I wonder if AI girlfriends will upset the dating dynamic. I have a pretty big feeling it will, we already see how AI girlfriends are infesting onlyfans.

Also I can imagine how this can destroy productivity on a societal level because a lot of things we do, we do for women

Thoughts?

(Internet has really warped the world)

 

[topcat]

It's a wonderful development. Less losers clogging up the market. More women starving for quality attention. More women for a good seducer.

I welcome our dystopian future

 

[DarkKnight]

It's a wonderful development. Less losers clogging up the market. More women starving for quality attention. More women for a good seducer.

I suspect the same. Instagram, tinder and such apps have heavily skewed the dynamic in womens favor, this could be some kind of odd reversal. In the end has it not always been the nerds dream to create his own beauty? Like the movie "weird science".

But I honestly do believe this can WRECK society and any smart guy will raise his sons to look for the real thing.

Problem with wrecked societies is that it can invite hostile invaders.

 

[topcat]

Instagram, tinder and such apps have heavily skewed the dynamic in womens favor

They haven’t, women are more thirsty for a real connection than they’ve ever been. Men also tbh. Should things continue as they are, their need will only increase.

Problem with wrecked societies is that it can invite hostile invaders.

i don’t know much about that, but i guess being an immigrant and very successful with European women, i’m one of those invaders

 

[DarkKnight]

They haven’t, women are more thirsty for a real connection than they’ve ever been. Men also tbh. Should things continue as they are, their need will only increase.

I don't necessarily agree. Yes they are thirsty for connection, but all those likes and validation have really inflated their ego. If I compare women now, with women 20 years back there is a HUGE difference in expectations of what they are supposed to get from men. Yes we can bypass this as pua, but I am trying to draw examples from society at large and that involves non-pua men.

i don’t know much about that, but i guess being an immigrant and very successful with European women, i’m one of those invaders

ah so that is the story haha, I rather meant as in that a country who starts to produce even more weak men will crumble and invite hostile neighbours, but I can see how you specifically can benefit from the current dynamic I guess

 

[ulrich]

I think it will never come to a point that guys drop out of the game in massive numbers.
As good as AI can become, having a real woman attracted to you Is always going to be perceived as a status boost.

So probably in the future, guys with virtual girlfriends will be second class to guys with real girlfriends.

It will reach a point, though, where guys are putting the bare minimum and the overall competition will be much easier.
Then, I guess women will be forced to take a more active role on seduction… or become content with polygamous men… maybe.

 

[DarkKnight]

I think it will never come to a point that guys drop out of the game in massive numbers.
As good as AI can become, having a real woman attracted to you Is always going to be perceived as a status boost.

I can imagine that if you can get the AI in order... you can also get android females. I suspect that will be the real gamechanger, because in the end men are still visual based and an android girl can be hyper hot.. permanently.

I really believe that when that happens, men can drop out of the game in massive numbers.

 

[ulrich]

I can imagine that if you can get the AI in order... you can also get android females. I suspect that will be the real gamechanger, because in the end men are still visual based and an android girl can be hyper hot.. permanently.

I really believe that when that happens, men can drop out of the game in massive numbers.

Don’t you think that the status drop of having an android girlfriend would balance that?

I mean… I can see a future where most guys have a sexdoll in their closets.
But I struggle to see a future where most guys stop (even if clumsily) trying to lay girls.

 

[DarkKnight]

Don’t you think that the status drop of having an android girlfriend would balance that?

You are a prideful man. I am one as well. These are masculine traits, but we are increasingly in a world with lowered testosterone, so honestly I do believe that a lot of people will go for what is easy as soon as it starts to become normal. Perhaps if the mainstream will do its best to shame these men, that there will come a balance, and honestly I do suspect the mainstream will do this otherwise society will get wrecked, but if it fails in this, then I believe we will have more blackpill/mgtow people who will go for androids. Honor, pride a lot of these values have disappeared, which ironically paves the way for such decadency.

Like buying a playstation 5 or something lol.

 

[orkie123]

I may be optimistic but I think AI will raise the baseline level for everyone. I believe that too in jobs. For example, marketing is all relative - you can't have every company producing perfect ads. AI is just making it so that even the local mechanic with an Instagram account can make a semi decent ad now for free. Soon enough that will be the new "worst quality ad".

Same thing with AI robots/partners. If a girlfriend robot is more interesting and feels better than an annoying fat chick, annoying fat chicks will have no choice then to stop being annoying fat chicks. Right?

Similarly for guys, if a robot has more game than the average guy, then they will use AI tools to quickly get to at least that baseline. I already get ads for some chat tool that can analyse your dating app threads and recommend banter lines. I haven't used it, but did read the reviews and it doesn't seem half bad.

 

[Chase]

Well I can tell you one way it will affect dating is 10 years from now you're going to start meeting more and more girls who on dates have some story they will be telling you like, "I was texting this guy for months and I thought I was in love but it turned out he was actually an AI," and you'll have a really good time teasing them about being so lame as to be looking for love on the Internet.

 

[Hue]

For society, I don't think that AI girlfriends are a good thing. It will help the "mental health" agenda going on that people are better off coddled, but it's not teaching teenagers, adults, or anyone SKILLS that will allow them to successfully exist in REALITY.

I'm not a parent, and don't plan to be one for at least another decade or so, so I'm not even going to project into that area.

For guys like us who are committed to improving with women, seducing and understanding real women, I think it's extremely advantageous.

The bar has literally never been lower for guys who take action in their self-improvement and social skills to stand out and dominate the competition. The narrative of younger guys having it easier with "better hair / more energy / youthfulness" is quickly losing weight, as the incoming generation has lower testosterone, gender-identity confusion, and now AI toys that give them relationship (and eventually sexual) rewards without any of the work it normally would take them to feel that achievement or self-exploration.

There will be outliers, but this literally just knocks out a shit ton of competition for PUAs and traditionally masculine men who maintained their values and discipline.

As far as an AI-bot that a girl falls for, I'm also not worried because I think it's more likely women just develop a shit-test around AI that causes them to malfunction or expose their robot-ness lol. I doubt OpenAI is developing Generative AI and LLM that recognizes shit tests and responds to them appropriately. That would be impressive.


If I were to project a little bit about it, in a positive direction, they could potentially make AI that is realistic enough to "teach" people how to be a better partner, with higher communication skills, usage of active listening / empathy, and self-exploration. Maybe that'd be a wholesome company to start, but the realist / pessimist in me says that the short-term solution of "here's you super hot AI girlfriend that sends you nudes and a VR machine for her to suck your dick better than Alexis Texas" is going to be a higher market share than "let's learn how to be a decent partner / man".

And, just acknowledging my past as a hedonist, when I'm 75 years old and not as motivated as I used to be.... the Alexis Texas cyborg doesn't sound like a bad way to spend my weekend.

 

[topcat]

Alexis Texas

Ay this man has taste

 

[SteelbookCollector]

I think it will never come to a point that guys drop out of the game in massive numbers.
As good as AI can become, having a real woman attracted to you Is always going to be perceived as a status boost.

So probably in the future, guys with virtual girlfriends will be second class to guys with real girlfriends.

It will reach a point, though, where guys are putting the bare minimum and the overall competition will be much easier.
Then, I guess women will be forced to take a more active role on seduction… or become content with polygamous men… maybe.

women forced to take a more active role in seduction? how? as in women, approach men or women ask men out, women be the initiators? i highly doubt that.

 

[Spyce D]

Can lead to mental disorders , physical disorders too .

Just for the primer look at those guys who are hooked to porn .

 

[Will_V]

I think it will never come to a point that guys drop out of the game in massive numbers.
As good as AI can become, having a real woman attracted to you Is always going to be perceived as a status boost.

So probably in the future, guys with virtual girlfriends will be second class to guys with real girlfriends.

It will reach a point, though, where guys are putting the bare minimum and the overall competition will be much easier.
Then, I guess women will be forced to take a more active role on seduction… or become content with polygamous men… maybe.

Wonder if it will end up with guys having both - real women for certain practical purposes and AI mistresses for pleasure. It might even save their marriages lol.

One way or the other it's women who are going to end up taking a big value hit here. Will be interesting to see how they collectively (or society for them) process it.

 

[DarkKnight]

women forced to take a more active role in seduction? how? as in women, approach men or women ask men out, women be the initiators? i highly doubt that.

It is not as farfetched as you think, dating dynamics change a lot. Favorable ratio of women against men do change behavior but a lot of you guys have never consciously experienced this.

 

[Will_V]

As far as an AI-bot that a girl falls for, I'm also not worried because I think it's more likely women just develop a shit-test around AI that causes them to malfunction or expose their robot-ness lol. I doubt OpenAI is developing Generative AI and LLM that recognizes shit tests and responds to them appropriately. That would be impressive.

That's a very interesting point .. I'm not entirely sure it's possible to develop an AI companion for women. Women's power is in being able to choose and accept a man from an arena of competition, and their attraction is a function of that man's success in various domains.

So unless women stop being women, a robot is never going to be able to operate in that value equation.

 

[DarkKnight]

I agree with Hue and Will with that probably this will have more value for men than women

Also like @ulrich mentions the status demotivation comes into play which is usually more pronounced with women

 

[orkie123]

What I do wonder is whether it will be a good or a bad thing when AI can help anyone become very good at seduction:

Imagine having an ear piece and lenses connected to a smart watch which can see and hear interactions and can advise you things like:

- "She has been giving you strong eye contact and been very touchy recently, it's time to escalate - she probably likes you"
- "You've been talking a lot and her facial expression is telling of getting bored, you need to engage her with some questions etc"
- "Her face light up when you asked her about her experience travelling in Asia - find out more about her stories there"
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Or going even more weird
- "Her breathing rate increased at that speed but then she started faking it once you become too rough - go a little more gentle"

And then girls walking around with an AI detector of their own

- "He seems to be following the advice of an AI V3.2 - a cheap device that anyone can buy from Aliexpress for $9.99"


Maybe my imagination is too wild. Time to write a book about romance in an AI powered world.