Brum's Journy

Lotus

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Going to finally start logging everything that comes to my mind on girls/pick up and anything else.

Brief intro:

My name is Taylor and I am 24. The past 3 months I have been reading GC to improve my ways with women. The biggest thing that drew me to this place is how all of these concepts taught to improve yourself with women are applicable to just being better at life. Improvement has come for me in leaps and bounds. My general mindsets have improved and I am becoming tougher and tougher mentally. No longer to missing out on opportunities with girls bother me.

Currently I do 100% night game. I plan on getting into day game eventually, but currently time investment trade off is not worth it. I spend my free time reading anything I can get my hands on for self improvement, career focus and I am just getting back into shape.

My main goals are to improve my fundamentals. I don't set aside time to specifically work on them, however when I get out into the city for anything I am constantly working on eye contact, slowing my movements down, my walk, and noticing pre-selection with women. It has been slower then if I were to go out and do the beginners challenge but I am content with the progress currently happening.

Up until recently I was average with women. I was raised a "nice guy" and had short term GF's through high school but I was needy and missed many escalation windows throughout. I lost my virginity at 18 and it was terrible sex. By junior year in college I was able to up my count to 5 when I found a girl I really clicked with(I didn't know it then but we got pretty intense quickly because we were both relatively needy and enjoyed constant contact) who I was with for 3 years. She boosted my confidence exponentially from before and set me on the path I am on now. As I began to grow and learn about myself I began to realize how needy she was so I cut ties(September) and quickly ended up here. In the past 3 months I have now bedded 3 girls, obtained multiple dates and double digit phone numbers. which is unprecedented for me.

Skill set 3 months ago:

eye contact: below average
posture: okay
voice: not sexy
verbal speed: not fast but not slow
walk: below average
sexy man: not at all
dress: average
approach: nada
body: athletic but not muscled
- needy white knight finally beginning to notice something isn't right.
 

Lotus

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Going through the book to make sure all the fundamentals are covered

intrigue/mystery: not good
"conversationalist": average

mannerisms: average/below average
-boredom: rarely/never
-passion: average
-deliberateness: rarely/never
-amusement: average
-hands: above average
-touch: poor

Other
-teeth: above average
-hair:below average
-weight: good
-muscle:average(fit/semi-cut)

Vocal:unsure


Conversing
can easily talk with most people but getting to know them on a deeper level quickly does not happen

Fashion
clothing size: varying- not overly large but not tight fitting
interesting items: 1 watch, didn't utilize it enough
coordinate colors: average
be interesting: below average
facial hair average: just scuff


again this is 3 months ago. Next step is to fill in where I am now and mark my progress on these basics
 

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Haven't had time to post where I am at on my fundamentals now vs 3 months ago. Going to interrupt that to reflect on the date I had tonight.

Went to this craft brewery 2 blocks from my place. good food, good beer can't complain. Made a bet with this dummy that I would have a fantastic New Years. She' bet I wouldnt

1-7 I buy her dinner
8-10 she buys

Easy free meal.

Overall disappointed in the way it turned out at the moment. Good conversation. I never have a problem with that which is a problem. I talk too much. I know she had fun and likes me but I AM SO BAD AT TURNING THINGS SEXUAL. Coming from being a nice guy I clearly show to much value and get into the bf zone.

We sat at a high top bar table and I picked the place because I thought the high tops were only 1 sided and you could sit next to each other. Fucked up, she walked around and sat across from me.

Only had two beers which is why I am here writing this. I am thinking very cleary and reflecting on the night. Like I just mentioned no sexuality in the conversation. It wasn't that I was thinking horny and couldn't bring it in to the convo. I just wasn't even horny and she is a cute girl. Clearly my testosterone levels are way to fucking low. I haven't worked out in way too long and I watched porn yesterday. Good time for a reality check. Luckily I managed to set up two more dates this weekend!
Hope is not yet lost.

I guess because of my reliance on alcohol I will have to take a couple steps backward before going forward and being able to sexualitize myself sober.

But at the same time it's a real dilemma. Because I love not having a filter and I love how much sexier I become. I enjoy breaking out of this nice guy shell I have been stuck in my whole life. And because my tolerance is retarded right now I don't black out ever and I don't lose control. I am afraid if I tone back my drinking I'll lose this new confident self I discovered recently that girls seem to love way more then the old me.

That being said I know toning it back is the right way to go. It will make me more consistent in the long run. I just need to force myself to think more sexually.

Going to read more of chases book tonight. Sleep with the book under my pillow so the material will diffuse into my head :) and wake up go to the gym in the am. Another date 2maro afternoon and another Sunday. Bound to make some sort of progess at this rate.
 

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Also I spent too much time focusing on the end result. Getting her back to my place. Rather then the process.

All in all logging this has completely fixed my mood.

Just keep swimming.
 

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Date # 2 for the weekend went much better!

This girl was a tinder match and I took her to the same place I took the last tinder match. Being able to sit next to, rather then across from the girl makes a huge impact. I was able to get some leg kino going the entire date and she willingly accepted it.

Still not as sexual as I want to, but my eye contact and touch was really good so the date flowed. Didn't have to even think about trying to work the conversation it just flowed.

I pulled her home by saying "I have this beer from Kentucky my sister gave me and I need some one to try it out with"
She said she didn't have much time but came over anyway. My roommate was home which may have affected my results. But I quickly took her on a tour of the place and grabbed her to make out with her. Pushed her up against the wall and she was loving it and breathing heavy as hell, but her friends were coming up for football games so she pulled away and walked out of my room to get an uber. I was persistent but so was she. Better then the date before.

Went out after but I'll add that later. Time for date number 3!
 

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Re: 3 dates 3 days, 4 make outs no sex

Just finished date number 3

Went to this little taco joint that had a bar as well and caught the end of the Cowboys game. Definitely going to use this as a date location in the future.

Pros:
good touch/kino - getting more natural at this, soon enoug I won't have to think about doing it.
Easily flowing conversation
Location within walking distance from my pad


Cons:
Still not able to make myself a sexy man
Was not able to get her back to my place- she had to finish meal prepping for the week.
Still too much value
Not mysterious enough

Per advice I read here I waited outside for her and led her in the door by the small of her back.
So I sat next to her at the bar which enabled me to get a lot of touch going she was a really cute half Dominican half Puerto Rican. The date was just under 2 hours which is too long. We talked about adventures, travel, school, childhood family. I definitely feel like I know more about her now then any of the other two girls which is good but I provided a lot of information about myself as well. Which too away from my own mystery. As the date progressed I naturally found out she was going g to finish preparing her meals for the week which made it hard to get her home. She gave me a ride back to my place and I think I could have persisted again there but I didnt. It would have been try number three but I don't know until I try.

Another note to make is thats twice I have had girls tell me it's late which and they need to go. This could mean two things I wasn't sexy enough to have her horny wanting to hangout longer at the moment or I am leaving the dates later in the day. I think its a combination of both. Both times I have gotten the girl back to my place it has still been light outside.. Noted for the future.

Trying to set up dates next week where the girls come over and I cook, so this is not a problem that will give me a little more insight into what is happening here

I need to go to bed but I'm still going to add my approaches from being out on Saturday night!
 

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intrigue/mystery: not much progress here in 3 months. I talk too much
"conversationalist": average/above average- not that i understand the dynamics

mannerisms: average/below average
-boredom: un used
-passion: good i have topics i really enjoy talking about
-deliberateness: slightly above average- slowed down my movements substaintially
-amusement: average- same
-hands: above average- same
-touch: average- i use this a lot more, but i may be overdoing it at times

Other
-teeth: really good now. i did a month of white strips and i get tons of compliments
-hair:above average- changed my haircut- and i have gotten multiple compliments
-weight: okay 6'2 195 heavier then i weight as an athlete but people still say i look fit
-muscle:average(fit/semi-cut)

Vocal:I talk slow at times, but could be better


Conversing:
-much btter at nagivating conversations, but i need to cut out non-esstential conversation threads

Fashion
clothing size: wearing much tighter clothing and matching/ contrasting- still room to improve
interesting items: 2 watches now. i never go out without it now. need a necklace
coordinate colors: pretty good now
be interesting: much more interesting- not loud- still room to improve
facial hair average: much better- alwyas have my beard maintained to look sharp :)

-the biggest thing i need to add in fashion is multi-layers. I normally do sweaters or t-shirt and peacoat.
-with conversing i needd to remove value. i talk to much which takes away from my mystery.

The next three days i will have 3 more dates. my big points of emphasis will be:
-persistance on getting girls home
-reducing my talking/value
-bringing in sexuality to conversation


Saturday night:

I had a date and it went well. Came back feeling good and confident and went out with a couple friends to watch football. After the game visited a new awesome bar and met up with this girl i knew from school and her friends. we chatted for a little bit and then my roommate and I did a little bro dancing. This has worked in the past because girls see us having loads of fun not caring about anything and gravitate toward us. It didn't work quite as magically this time. But as i was dancing I noticed a cute girl across the bar with her friend and she made eye contact with me. I slowly smiled and she ate it up pretty well. she disengaged and so did I. Caught her looking again and and met her eyes again.

I pretended to go back to dancing while she settle in and then 30 seconds later approached her. I Walked right up to her and she stared at me the whole time:

Me: Hey, I'm Brum( offer hand)
Her: Hi
Me: I could help but notice how cute you are and just had to say
hi

She was standing with her friend but I never took my eyes of her and eventually her friend was gone. I quickly moved her to sit down and she complied. I really don't remember much more of the interaction but it was really exciting because it was the first time i really made an approach like that. I moved too slow from there and eventually her friends came and they all left the bar.

I got another girls phone number later in the night and i have a date with her today.

=)
 

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The next three days i will have 3 more dates. my big points of emphasis will be:
-persistance on getting girls home
-reducing my talking/value
-bringing in sexuality to conversation

Okay Logging the date from last night. I wanted to get this in when it was fresh but the date went longer then expected and I just went to bed after.

I just finished Chase's book and the stuff towards the is some of the stuff I really needed. It is also much easier to get the complete picture and process in the book vs. reading articles on the website. One of the big things I'm going to try to establish in my dating process is getting the girls to my place early as possible. By this I mean proposing dates at my place to get girls there and get them comfortable with coming over.

Last night however I met the girl on a 10-15 minute walk from my place. which is a stretch to do in 25 degree whether. I waited outside so she could find me easily. Upon her arrival I guided her in with my hand while holding the door open(someone here mentioned the do it do initiate touch). My problem with his is it makes me looks very "nice" waiting outside in the cold.

Since, previously I had been having 2 beers with my dates and they seemed to mirror me. Since, I drink craft beer 2 of those do a little much so tonight I scaled it back. Only 1 beer. I got along with her easily but that is never a problem, which is a problem( still trying to figure out how to decrease my while maintaining congruence). We got to talking about soccer and she asked:

Her: What position do you play?
Me: What do you think?
Her: Well.... I don't think you're a forward. You are too nice, most of the forwards I know are cocky.
Me: Hmm

In my head I said DOH FUCK. THATS THE LAST THING I WANTED TO HEAR. I don't want to be cocky and bragging because that's explicit value, I want implicit value. maybe I should bring in how good my team was, which would communicate that I am good without saying it. On another note based on where she went to school and the teams she talked about these "cocky" forwards were probably scrubs trying to puff up their chests.

So now I am going to backtrack and think maybe I could have responded something along the lines of " Being cocky is for guys who need to inflate their own value"

Split the check again- I don't know why anyone would ever offer to pay an entire check. That shit is stooopid.

On our way out I say:

Me: it's only 8 lets get a another drink in XX( its almost halfway back to my place)
Her: what do you have in mind?
Me: theres this cool little whiskey bar I know of.
Her: I know that place. sure!

This place is really small quiet and has a couple couches in the back. So I know I have a better chance at getting some touch and kino going.

We order drinks at the bar and I suggest we move to a couch it will be comfier and quieter. She complies. she sit around the corner just out of leg kino range. So I lean back and put my arms spread eagle across the back of the couch and chill. We talk for an hour here and I dive her on work, living in the city, future plans. I've incorporated more "why" and "howcome" which helps a lot but she still ended up knowing a lot about me.

We get the check:

Me: how are you getting back to your place?
Her: I was planning on getting an Uber.
Me: walk back with me and I will drive you home( did not mention my place :) )
Her: I'm not sure.
Me: Why spend money when you don't need to?
Her: Are you sober enough to drive?
Me: of course, I have only had 2 drinks----- *well played brum*
Her: Okay.

Upon arrival I say "come inside for a minute, I will give you the tour while you are here." and proceed to walk toward the door before waiting for her response. I ask her if she likes adventure and she says "yea why" and I respond " because we have access to the roof out my back door." she responds that's soo cool. we should go up.

Now it snowed yesterday so that's not going to happen but, I led her to my room once inside and showed her the sliding door that led to our courtyard. The neighbors are in there. She starts watching them and I tease they might have 3 some going because I only ever see 2 guys and a girl. At this point I am standing behind her, close. I turn her around and kiss her while pushing her up against the sliding door and she loves it.

Next I turn her around. Confidently and slowly push her down onto my bed.

She smiles like a great white and spreads her legs. I lower myself on her and think it's on.

I work my hands around her ass( of course she is wearing spandex) and then down to rub the outside of her crotch. She begins breathing so heavily and I know she wants me badly. As I begin kissing all over her neck I try to work hands in her pants. She resists so I go back to the outside. she says we should stop while we are ahead and I ignore her. Every time she disengages to talk I just rotate back onto her neck until she decides to kiss me again. This happens for a 5-10 minutes but she never gives up the inside of her pants.

I tried to persist as much as possible and she says something like "this is supposed to be 4th date material" to which I just laugh. I couldn't make any more progress after that point. But it was the closest I have gotten so far. I am almost there!!!!

When I took her home she said she never intended to come back with me but she was glad she did. Which reinforces everything taught here that:

1- women want to feel like its natural but you have to plan for it
2- women like to be led
 

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Re: just another night with numbers

Another night out in Baltimore. Pretty solid night

Went out with my roommate/ wingman met up with some people he knows that I have met briefly before. I'm 24 and still getting my feet in the social game and all these people are about 28 and very socially experienced so I am a little over my head at times. But these girls are so fucking hot it's unbelievable. I typically don't like meeting up with so many people but it worked well to build some momentum for the night

After an hour called a uber and we went to meet a girl I met out last weekend. It's a multi floor bar with live music downstairs so it's has a great vibe, definitely my favorite place around here. Go up stairs meet the girls and chat for a couple minutes before heading to the bar to buy a drink for my buddy and I. While I'm waiting dude next to me compliments my sweater( I got at least 4 compliments on the night ) I tell him his leather jacket is sick and he pulls it well. He tells me anyone can do it as long as they "own it"
- can't argue with that snippet

Bartender forgot who ordered the drink and put it at the other end of the bar. I didn't notice but the girl next to me did. She's pretty cute and so I ask her if she saw where my drink went. She says she's not sure and she just her drinks so I ask what she's drinking she says she is drinking a beer and got a jack and coke for her bf. Exactly what order must be a good guy haha.

Guy next to me gets up and his friend starts talking to me, this guy was in the military came back with PTSD and I could tell he was pretty messed up, so I let the conversation run. He bought us a shot of rumchata as well, but he bought one too many so ask a girl that walks by to take it she says no way. The guy she's taking to takes after I switch with him. He compliments my sweater and tries to set me up with her but I decide to walk back to the girls I came to meet

Eventually they close the upstairs and we tell the girls to meet us downstairs after they hit the head. We never find them. I see a girl I nexted because she was a pain in the ass to set up dates with even though she was cool and really cute. My boy says don't go over there I'll go talk to her. He rolls over and stands there awkwardly.

Get a text from the original girl and she says come out front. As I head towards the front of the bar the girl I nexted sees me and comes and grabs me. Meanwhile my roommate is still standing where next to where she was sitting haha. Talk to her for 20 minutes and rekindle things. She was chasing me really hard. I moved her over to the wall at the bottom of the stairs where I like to post up and just lean on it. While she bounces around talking between her friends and mine. She told me I suck at texted and I tell her she sucks at dating. So it's mutual and we set up a date for Thursday. This girl has the most beautiful eyes blue eyes and she is a tiny blonde. My favorite.

Bar closes and we leave to get food from the hot dog shop that offers all different kinds of toppings. I know what I intend to get but there's a cute girl in front of us. So I announcing loudly hmm what do you get here. They jump in and tell us to get the Mac and cheese crab dog, exactly what I was going to get. We talk with them for 5 minutes while waiting and end up oposite them in the place( standing room only) after getting our food. I make eye contact with the cute brunette I noticed in the first place and go right over and ask for her number to meet up for a date. She of course complies. So now I have two more dates this week. Pretty happy about that.

Also hanging out with the girl I almost fucked after our first date. Going to get some lunch at my favorite spot. I will report in after. It have framed my sexuality pretty well with her so I have high hopes for this.

In review I'm getting very comfortable approaching girls and getting numbers once I have some momentum. It's a great feeling and works best when I don't think and just act!! Next I need to start trying to pull girls home on the first night.
Brum out
 

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Saturday was pretty solid bounce back after just getting some phone numbers on Friday.

Started the day off with a 2nd date lunch date. Met the girl at one of my favorite local breweries and it was fucking packed an hour before football started. so we walked to this little mexican joint it was literally called "TACO PARTY". I have been advised against watching an entire football game with a girl, but it was playoff so I was more concerned with the ravens then sex with this girl.

It worked out.

It was a small little bar with regulars so everyone was friendly and the bartender was cute and cool. A cute girl sat down next to me on the other side. This helped me create push/pull with my date beacuse i was able to spread around the conversation with 2 other attractive women. There wasn't anything significant in conversation that would help or hinder the efforts that led to sex. It is important to note that in this interaction touch was much less then I had been using in the past couple weeks.

After the game she mentioned she was having friends to pregame before going out. I had about an hour until that window. I mentioned to her that since we were both tired we should grab a coffee to reenergize before the night. She said sure so I followed up with "i have free coffee at home, and it would be a much better location to get an uber from"

Went back to my place and made us coffee. I remembered reading here somewhere girls tend to leave their defenses down when escalate on the couch.
She was really horny and once i made the move she was breathing heavily extremely quickly. I moved to her inner thighs and her leggs opened immediately. took her shirt off and then moved things to my room since i had no idea when my roommate would return. The only resistence she made was "I really should be going." which she said multiple times but I just ignored. She has big tits and a fat ass so I will definitly do her again. she already texted me to hang out this week.

I was in a fucking fantastic mood after this and convinced my roomate to come out. We met a couple of his friends at my favorite bar and since I was glowing from earlier and feeling confident as fuck I was getting a lot of looks pretty early in the night. I warmed up on a couple of okay looking girls and meeting his friends. Went up stairs to grab a drink, collect my thought, come up with a game plan and see if there was anyone worth checking out.Nope.

Went back downstairs and decided since I was in such a good mood i was going to hit it hard. I noticed a cute blonde check me out, towards the live music which is near the front door. Waiting 30 seconds saw her look again and made my move:

"Me: Hi, I'm Brum.
Her: Hey I'm Victoria
Me: Victoria, that's a beautiful name( it really is one of the sexiest names out there!!)
Her: Oh, get out of here. You wont even remember my name! -- shit test number 1
Me: Don't be rediculous! Your name is Victoria and you can quiz me at anytime.
Her: How old are you anyway? you look really young-- shit test 2
Me: I'm old enought to buy cigarettes, why does it matter?
Her: haha you are definetly so young! How old are you?
Me: Why should I tell you? you are going to judge me based on it.
Her: Noooo I won't. How old are you?
(pause)
Me: I am having a hard time hearing you. Lets move over here away from the music.
Her: Nooo. haha
Me: Come on it's just right there *point to the stairs*, it's not even 10 feet away come on (this is the same spot in the bar I mentioned moving a girl the night before)

I grab her by the crook of her arm and pull her and she complies.
Her: I am still waiting to hear your age.
Me: only if you promise not to judge me
Her: I promise
Me: I am 24.
Her: OMG so young! I am 32
Me: see there you go judging me again!
Her: I am not judging you!
Me: well then stop mentionging my age. If you don't to talk to me then you can leave, but I'm probably more interesting thien 80% of these losers(at this point she invested enough by moving that this worked and i was feeling bold)

Beacuse she had challenged me pretty hard intially I was pretty confrontational as I began to dive in. She was a teacher intially from texas and complained about the low quality of men in this town(my gambit paid off). Whch turn into coming off as really cocky and dickish, but enteraining. She called me a dick at one point and i kinda ran with this for the rest of the night. At one point we were bantering and I gave her this sexy smile and she melted so fast. "OMG do don't do that again." "what... this?" *smile again." I made sure to use it.
-- this is also the second time in two weeks i have heard complaints about the quality men in my town.

at one point she said I tried to get her out of there and she resisted and told me to go find some younger girls. I said okay and just walked away. -- outcome indepence

Met up with my buddy and friends, and sat down at the bar for a minute to do some scouting. A girl that was in their group walked by and I opened her. I don't remember her name but my roomate jumped in that I am a pick up artist... WTF moron. She gave me a dirty look and i decided to check out upstairs.

An hour later I go to the bathroom. Come out and see Ms. Texas. I sit at an empty stool nearby and wave her over, at first resists but eventually comes. I try giving her the sexy smile that she ate up and she said stop it! This time the conversation went differently. She asked what I wanted. I told her you know what I want. we both agreed dating was out of the question but she made me verbalize that I wanted to have sex with her. First time I have ever said that haha.

This whole interaction took place with her standing between my legs while I was sitting and she was close, very close. It made me comfortabke saying anything. She said we weren't having sex and I said fine but you coming home with me. On the walk back I had to make her realize I wasnt a complete tool and backtrack. It was the first time I had done "the asshole" so I was extreme.

Did this by "do you really want to hear about my ex, and hear what happened to make me like this?"
- I made it sound extreme but it worked and she laid off.

Didn't actually get to sex but I got a blowjob and she had a nice hairy snatch so I did not reciprocate the oral. Lot to learn here
 

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Way to go, Brum!

You write about it so non-chalantly! Great report and outing. Well-played with the Texas girl. I like that "OK, but you're coming home with me" line. I'm looking forward to more of your reports.

Cheers
 

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Hey Snipe,

I appeciate the comment and that your reading! This weekend I had a similar interaction, where I was able to maintain a pretty dickish frame and bring another girl home.

It's pretty interesting seeing the frame work like that beacuse i definitly grew up a white night. I will be working on putting my most recent experiences up today or tomorrow.

-Brum
 

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Reflection

I hit my first wall in pickup this week, and honestly it was a great lesson for me. I met this girl on tinder a week and a half ago. met up with her with no expectations. Best date i have had so far, she was really cool and we hit it off really well.

I got her back to my place and we were alone in my room,sitting on my bed. escalated to making out and she resisted slightly when i made moves down below with my hands. After that intial resistene i did not persist, i thought to myself i like the girl ill take this slow----first mistake. She kept saying i should really be going but didn't make any moves to leave--- clear sign. I noticed it but ignored it beacuse my pussy as self had already made the safe decision.

Playing not to lose rather than playing to win.

As she goes to leave i tell her i want to see her again---second mistake. Lost mystery around my intentions. I managed a second date with the girl, picked a new venue food was good but the place was terrible for what i wanted to accomplish.

Mistake 3- i took a single toke of weed 2 hours before the second date thinking it will chill me out and clear my head. if fucked everything up for the night. Instead i ended up winging it with no plan. My game was awful. We talked about why tinder and she said its hard to meet quality people at the bar-- inflated my ego and made me complacent. My response was no direct response, which was an awful response. Turned into mistake number 4

I also told her i would have judged her if she ordered XX beer...wtf - mistake number 5. She got a uber from myplace and again i told her i wanted to see her aagain( i didn't realize this mistake until yesterday) and i also texted her later that night saying i had a good time with her :). Not much intrigue left. In her eyes i am probably just another average joe. Not someone worth dating.

which is why when i waiting a day and texted her yesterday asking how the rest of her weekend went she did not respond.

I have already chalked this one up as a loss and a lesson learned. Frustrating but neccesary to improvement. Luckily my confidence is really good right now and I can get away with telling myself. Who cares? and move on to the next one.

The whole tinder world is confusing- on a side note I am wondering how to act once you go on a date with a girl from tinder. Do you stop logging in? Do you log in as if nothing has happened? The girl will eventually start checking on you- so it may come down to the frame you portray and where she thinks of you as BF or hookup material. Food for thought
 

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"Hey I am sorry, I had a lot of fun with you but I don't see this going anywhere"

Lesson learned, on to the next one. Right now i am extremely gratefull of the mental fortitude i have acquired in the past 3 years.

I really don't know why but as i sit here, i cant help myself from smiling......

Now that its a official lets analyze:

pros:
-lessons were learned
-able to get her to my place twice
-got a high calibur girl from tinder out on two dates

cons:
-moved too slow
-was basically an open book( no mystery left after two dates)
-moved uber slow
- missed a huge escalation window out of pussyness

got another date tonight, lets improve.... goals of the night:
-persistance
-be mysterious
- fundamentals
 

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So Saturday I went out with my roommate as usual. We went to our favorite spot, my favorite part of favorite spots is once you get a comfort level with a bar you feel like you own it, its your bar. You mindstate is clicking at that point and no women is out of your comfort zone because its your house.

Started pretty chill met my roomates friends and we were able to get barstool seats where i began chilling at watching the events unfold. This girl within their circle was working pretty hard for my attention and i sat there and chatted with her for a little but she wasnt attractive and eventually gave up on me. I open up the girl and her friends to my right and dove them a little. They were in their 30s and the cute one was married...... built some more momentum here and just enjoyed the convo.

A girl i met 2 weeks before and went on 1 date text me and she ended up coming to the place also. chat with them upstairs I had already nexted this girl and just not followed up with our next date. But again momentum is momentum. We moved to another bar and then my roommate left. eventually i met up with him and he was talking to this girl he has been working on. Talked to them very breifly and began some scouting at this bar. It was a new bar so i sat down and just took it all in. Eventually a cute girl with a fantastic walk came up to me. At this point my momentum was solid, my mindstate was solid and without realizing it I entered IDGAF mode and it made this girl chase. She went to talk to her friends and said she would be back i sat there not caring.... waiting, knowning she would be back. She came back we left together as the bar closed. She told me I was an ass multiple times on the walk back.

Threated to leave...... yea right bitch im calling your bluff.. Its cold as fuck your not walking back to the bars by yourself. We eventually got back and ended up hooking up in the bathroom because one of my buddies was in my room of the phone with some girl from instagram.... wtf. I never have had a girl moan so loud from just being kissed on the neck... reference point.

The next morning she told me I could be nice sometimes and I explicitly told her... look if i was nicer i would be boring and you wouldnt be here. Kicker with this girl is.... pretty sure she was a stripper and that explains why her walk was so dam good.

Fun night. My buddy who was on the phone actually got into my place through the bathroom window... not good. oh well lol.

Had a date Tuesday and the follow up is tonight at my palce for tacos....

Side note my tinder game is getting retarded ill have fun documenting it more in the future.
 

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Re: Tindererererer

Its funny I make a comment about tinder and then go get myself another lay.

Matched with this girl thursday ish..Typical opener "Hey xxxx, how is tinder treating you?" its not creative like colt suggests but every single attractive girl gets sleezy pickup lines and they all like to complain. So its a pretty easy way to transition and put my self above all the other guys within the first 5 lines of chatting with the girl. You make it "me and you vs them" and all of the sudden you are different from 90% of the guys even though you use the same opener.

anyway i transitioned her off of tinder with a little compliance on my part. She asked a question and i responded with "I would feel more comfortable answering off tinder XXX XXX XXXX. text me if you really want to know" I have since stop asking for girls numbers and just providing mine with a promise of complaince if she texts me.

First date... ehh got some food, my goal was to scale back my talking and enhance my mystery... there were a good number of times she asked me things and i just choose not to answer by changing the subject or with silence. It made her more interested and tried harder to get answers. She gave me a ride home and i persisted 3 or 4 times to get her to come in while sitting in her car.... happy about that. I wanted to leave her longing for more so I gave her a quick kiss and got out of the car... she asked to come sit back down.. did not happen. next time.

date number 2 last night...

invited her over the day before by saying

I am making tacos tonight, you should join me :). she said she would love to but she has work to do and asked to meet this weekend. I told her the tacos would be gone by then but i can save them until thursday if you are game.

She gave me a kiss as soon as she walked in the door....at that point i knew less is more didn't really game her much just ate and challenged her BS. watched a movie after and immidiately started escalating. I started light and pulled away from kisses a couple times leaving her wanting more.... kissing her neck, shoulders, ears, rubbing different body parts..... the whole shabang. Eventually she stop and said

"her: I don't want to lead you on
me: huh?
her: I don't want to lead you on
me: not sure I follow *sly smile*

We both knew what she was going at but i choose not to acknowledge it and im glad it didnt. But because she brought it up i decided i would need extra escalation time...so i stopped... and then started again.

She said it again and i said look we can just have some fun we don't need to go all the way
her: I either go all the way or not a all-------------THANK YOU

She was not wearing underwear under her yoga pants so once i realized how wet she was it was over. Fat ass, nice curves... Good lay

She told me she liked me.. so i just mirrored her and said i like you. Think she is looking relationship.... goodluck woman

don't feel like proofreading its friday fuck it. sorry if it sucks to read
 

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This post is not really pick up related more on how self improvement has leaked into other areas of my life.

I have played soccer my whole life thats my thing. Went to college for it and I used to go through immense ups and downs..runs of really good form and really bad. I was all or nothing confidence wise. When I was bad I was bad and when i fucked up it would multiply.

This weekend I had my first game since I started GC because of winter/offseason and now that im out of school i dont play as much. I am the same player as I used to be, maybe a step slower :) but throughout the game my confidence never fades based on my play. Even this past fall I would take a bad touch and it would put me off for a while... I made plenty of bad touches this weekend but it didn't compile and I was arguably the best player on the field even being out of shape as fuck.

Nothing bothers me anymore. My head was on strait all game no matter what and it showed. Felt pretty awesome

Just wanted to share :)
 

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Tuesday I had my first date with this chick from tinder. She looked really good in pictures average rl... sometimes you strikeout but hey reference points are refernce points.

focuses:
-be comfortable with silence
- withdrawl value
- persistence
-get her to my place


In the past I have ordered second beers on my dates extending the intial stage way to long. This date i made it clear I only wanted 1 drink with the grub. We were closing the tab and i remembered she said smoked( sike i feigned remembering... made sure i had weed to make the pull a no brainer)
she drove me back to my place and we poured some wine.
I asked:

Me: Are you adventerous?
Her: I am.. why?
Me: I have roof access. we should smoke up there.
Her: that sounds awesome. How do we get there?
Me: Outside. I hope your brave :)
Her: why?
....... I dont answer and lead her out there
she sees the ladder and "OMG" It is a workmans ladder... so it looks sketchy.
its getting close to 5 minutes since she arrived so I pull her close and kiss her and say
Me: I'm right here I have done this numerous times.. ill hold the ladder you will be fine :)
Her: okay

We go up and smoke the view of the city is pretty solid and she digs it. once we are done we go down and i tell her to go through my spotify and pick out some music. we listen, chill, drink wine. I make my move and remove the wine glass she is holding so she knows whats up. I escalate and stop and tease her a couple of times until i build up to rubbing the outside of her pussy... its getting really easy to tell how turned on a girl is so you can know when to take the next step IE--- heavey breathing and grabbing onto me... For me kissing all over her neck, shoulders up to the ear gets the best results.

She told me how bad I was but never let me get any further from the outside of her pants... no matter how heavey i made her.

Should have compeltely cut her off.. by the end i was just rewarding her resistence even though i was trying to rinse and repeat until i broke through. She was also a pretty good kisser.. not sloppy i hate that shit.

Next night date 3 with this girl..... fucked her on the second date last week so this was just easy sex and she had a fatass.problem is she is starting to get attached and saying things like... "well we can do this or that in the future" implying togetherness.... Other problem is she has a hairy snatch and i love to go down on girls... its not bushweed style but scraggly like a kid whos trying to grow a bead but cant.... wtf

If its still there the next time we fuck i may have to next her... shit is too weird.

side note a girl i fucked 2 weeks ago that I got bored of texted me and said she was going out for happy hour and i should come.

I responded " I'm sorry i cant :(, but i appreciate the invite "

"wow you are such a mysterious person"

Pretty cool response.. first time thats happened to me so it's evidence my efforts are going in the right direction....

brum out
 

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Re: third fuck

Last night i hung out with this chick for the 4th time.. got my third lay. I can't do this anymore... she is getting too attached and keeps referecning doing things together in the future. I tried entering the hangout colder and she now likes me more. good to know.... careing less works well.

I spent the night challening and not complying and battling her frames. Lots of push minimal pull.... the next step is to be able to do this on first dates and with girls im extremely attracted to rather then wait to get my comfort level up... push the boardary.

Going out tonight.. planning to push myself into the IDGAF mode.

Couple of things i really want to work on the next little bit... some will be easier then others.

conversatioal- become the all controlling wielder of power within a conversation. Direct it where i want to, ingnore threads i don't want to participate in, and understand when, why, and how to use conversation threads to my advantage.( definitley a long term goal, but one im most excited about)

mystery- less explicit value, say more with less words, generally become more mysterious

do not react/ do not care- i have toned down my negative reactions substaintially and they weren't numbered anyway, but I still get excitied pretty easily as I am high energy and allways bring a smile. Toning that down and making people work for my approval will implicitly say..... I have standards for my approval and not everyone qualifies.... and then don't give two shits about how people react what i do will give me additional leverage.

leverage sounds like manipulation, but leverage is what it is
 

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Couple weeks ago I went to my hometown for the weekend. It was a successful weekend and I haven't updated since. My hometown bar scene is pretty dead this time of the year, thus I didn't expect much.

Friday 2/13

went out with a couple of my older buddies. The first place we went to had almost no girls, so I was doing some bro bonding until I noticed a girl checking me out. The first time she looked I didn't react. The second time I caught her I slowly met her eyes and smiled.

After that I waited and she checked me out a third time and then I went to open her. Introduced myself with just "Hey, I'm brum" and then teased her about her sweatshirt which had a bunch of stars but no stripes. dove her for a good 30 minutes and then number closed and got out.

Move to the next bar with my friends. this place was more crowded and we ended up chatting with a group of 3. I wasn't feeling it so I disengaged to go get a drink. One of my friends came over and told me one of the girls was really disappointed I left so I rejoined. Not much special was done except I was very outcome independent, and challenge their frame... also the girl was celebrating her 30th birthday and was horny. We went back to her place where she told me we weren't having sex. I ignored it and we ended up showering together, she was smart about it because she blew me and then I lost all desire to persist. Did not get her number or name, but it was a fantastic night as she was house sitting a multimillion dollar place haha

Saturday 2/14

Again went out it was vday... Ran into a girl I went to middle school with a half century ago. I have changed a lot since then and just catching up was enough to get her attracted. My friends went to the casino so I got their keys and pulled her there. I had finally escalated to a blow job fingering her when they all came back from the casino. We drove to her house and passed out

2 blow jobs and 1 solid phone number.... the phone number has since turned into a girl I have slept with a couple times in the past 3 weeks. It is getting pretty close to a relationship zone but she has some sexy tats, nipple rings and is getting a boob job this week... perfect timing for the 10 day rule to be instituted.

Since I posted about pulling earlier today, ill mention how I pulled this girl home on the first date.

Met her for drinks in a bar within walking distance of my place. We spoke for 2 hours which was longer then I anticipated but after the second drink I told the bartender we wanted to close, she didn't get food and I did so I just paid. On the way out I asked her where she parked and if I could get a ride back. I quickly followed up with "actually why don't we get started on popping your james bond cherry" she complied with no resistance. Since then she has just come over every time.. no dates necessary.

Saturday 2/28

Same friends from earlier in the post my roommate, M, Mar,K, but I broke into some pickup with a couple of them and now im more comfortable going out with them.

We got a round and settled in to this bar called Horse. I was getting ready to get another drink when I noticed two girls standing at the bar, So I went up next to them to order a drink. I didn't acknowledge them, just observed them out of my peripherals. My buddy K came up on my left in between me and the girls and asked what I ordered.

As I paid for the drink I look up and lock eyes with the furthest one away and she melts pretty hard, so I asked them how their night is going and my buddy K jumps in also. I move around and talk to the girl made the eye contact with. turns out she is an extremely attractive greek woman and I find out later she is 45... but she looked 35 maybe. during the whole interaction I knew she was older but she never pushed about age. After 30-40ish minutes her friend and my friend go take a smoke.

Her: they are going to grab a smoke
(I didn't hear her that clearly)
Me: I don't want a smoke I don't do that.
Her: Me neither
Me: that's good, It makes me even more attracted to you :)
Her: haha I'm glad.
(I used this as my chance to get her contact info)
Me: You seem pretty cool we should meet up for a drink this week, put your number in my phone
Her: I'm not leaving yet!
Me: I know, but should something happen, I want to be able to contact you.

At the point my other friends have made contact with 1/2 other groups of girls and we have a little social group going in the corner. I find out my buddy K has failed and his girl is no longer interested. My greek girl mentions they are going to leave and they do and im pretty sure they come back.

Because of her friend not being interested I had written off trying to pull her home or go back with them, but I think her comment was actually my pull window. By the time they had come back I had already introduced myself to another group two that were socializing with my buddies. I'm not sure if I misread the situation or had just already decided either way.. opportunity missed.

I sent my icebreaker text the next morning and she responded very warmly :) --- so def going to try to get her out this week.

The two other girls from the horse ended up at the next bar with us, there was a really sexy Asian and her sassy friend. My other buddy M got them both naked but didn't fuck them.. I was impressed.

At the second bar it was pretty fun and we picked up where we left off with sexy Asian and sassy friend. I also was talking to another girl when my roommate came in and mentioned my friend got kicked out they are were arguing with the bouncers. Pissed me off and ruined any chances they were brewing. I took a walk by self to another bar and ordered a couple shots while brooding as the bars were closing.

overall it was solid and after two weeks of not going out, my confidence is pretty dam high. gonna prep up this week for my date with the cougar.

:)
 
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