10 girls a day, 10 lays a year

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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I approached 10 girls today.
All failed, but no regret.
 

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1
Pre-open is okay.
That opener is bad though. Boyfriend frame.
Indirect then. Something like "Hello," "Good morning," and use body language to convey intention.

2
Ok, I like the indirect.
She smiled.
She was a bit shy, I shoulda lead a bit more.

4
Good setup.
Opening was good.
She asked me if we knew each other.
I answered, "Nope," that was a little bit too straightforward.
Something better: "From past life."

7
She was skeptical but I definitely should have followed through, see what will happen.

10
Direct, but I should definitely asked for her name sooner.

A girl staring at me. The dream. The dream.
I miss her.
Okay, okay. That's fine.

11
Good, a girl on the way home.
I chatted with her a bit.
She was going to the photo shop.
I just shot for a quick date close.
She turned down but that's okay, no regret.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Fast forward 20 approaches.

My open rate is so-so. Like 1/5 or so.

I'll be frank with you guys. I don't follow up, mostly because the girls are too ugly.
But wait! Some girls are beautiful.
But I couldn't think of a way to follow up.

So the solution is only approaching beautiful girls, with hand wave pre-open to screen.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Bookstore.
She stand near the aisle, so the psychology is good.
Gimmick opener.
I hold a book, and quoting, “do something different everyday, for example meeting new people.”
This opener, is actually good. Because she follow me along as I read the opener.
She asks for my name, which is VERY GOOD.
I small talk a bit, then compliance “hey, let stand over here, so people don’t run us over.”
She complied.
I tried to understand her psyche. Small talk. Another compliance (tell her to show me her necklace).
I tried to understand her a bit. Just out of high school, religious, gamer, like horror movie, like American movie, not a bookworm, want a hotel jobs because she want to meet new people.
I just ask if she’s free. I should have tell her we should grab a coffee sometimes (deferred date is better in this case).
 

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This girl gave me the look before but I didn’t capture on it.
The solution is to go around, wait one or two minutes then come back.
It worked before.
Yeah, it worked now.
I persist a bit in pre-opening, working well.
This girl I tried to understand her. Bookworm type, I related with her a bit.
What bookworm? She likes Sherlock Holmes and romance novels.
Second year in university, study finance. From countryside.
She prefer countryside over city. Probably because she doesn’t meet a lot of people.
Some compliance, but I missed a compliance window. I did ask her to move a bit, it worked.
Also "look at the girl over there. She want to get in but cannot get in" for "us versus the world."
But then I asked her to move with me to the second floor, too much. I persist three times.
I should have asked her to move a few feet to sit down.
Some touch, but she was resisting touch after a while. Need to touch on the high note.
Also, too much dead verbal space, I should fill it, then weave the compliance in. I told her a bit of story. She also talked a lot, quite good.
She jumped around a bit, so she was excited.
Need the chase frame humor.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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150 lbs finally. Try to reach 160 next year.
Spending 1-2 hours a day in gym helps.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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I said hello
She said hello
I asked, “What’s your name?”
She was waiting for her friend.
She was from town, going there to work.
She moved with me: “Hey, move a bit so people don’t run into us”
Conversation was dying down. She was about to go.
Me: “Stay here, you won’t regret it”
Her: “Why?”
Me: “Because I’m handsome”
She laughed, saying “very confident”
Asking her out, she kept the excuse of waiting for her friend.
I should have overcome that objection, “ok, how about later in a week”
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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My childhood friend invited me for coffee.
I texted her: “sorry, things come up, let’s go next weekend.”
And yeah, I’m legitimately busy. Meeting girls.
She said: “ok”

Meaning:
- I just miss a big opportunity. Because she texted me right on the day my parents weren’t home. She probably took that logistics into account. Plus I had a player reputation. Plus I was fingering her pussy before. Plus she chased me ever since. So she expected me to ask her home on the date, and planning accordingly. Next week I had no logistics, and basically I just miss that opportunity.
- Or, I might just avoid a bullet. I read the Seppuku story (Inseminator Request), and maybe she’s not that into me. I might very well become that cuck. So just pass it up.

The thing I interpret from Seppuku story is that I have to meet, date, and sleep with new girls, otherwise it’s too suspicious.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Standard opening.
Target was good. A pair of girls.
They sat far apart from each other, not talking with each other, one of them dress well, other dress dull clothes. I picked the girl dressing well.
Asking for her name.
I extended my hand. She didn’t took it. I took it back. Then I extended it again. She took it.
One step forward two step back.
I experimented with palm up, working this time.
I asked what was her hobby.
She said watching movie. Typical, but good sign.
She asked about my job. I said: Freelancer.
Good because freelancers convey more power than 9-to-5.
Sexual tension was okay. Silence was not as long as it should.
I asked what she studies. Management.
I teased: You’re learning it to boss people around.
Compliance: I told her to show me her arm ring. Then I told her my aunt wearing the same ring (lie)
She laughed.
Her: What do you do in free time?
Me: Working, gym, to get the muscles (flex my arm), martial arts, I only know a bit, singing.
<Self deprecated humor>
Her: Some day you have to sing for me
<test>
Me: Probably not
Her: Why?
Me: Because you’d swoon over my voice.
Basically I threw out a bunch of hobbies. She liked singer.
Me: Probably I will become the next ..... do you know any singer with name (my name)
Her: (a name)
Me: (noddibg my head) yeah, I will become the next (the name)
Touching frequently. Working well.
She was from town. I met a lot of girls this type, so I cold read.
I lied my backstory. A guy from town, go there to study, living with aunts.
She opened up. Talking a lot. I related well to her because I met so many girls this type before.
Lying was okay if it made girls open up.
Then I asked: Hey, let’s grab a coffee.
She said: Sure. This week I’m free, but I’ll go back home Saturday though.
I said: Let’s go now
Her: My friend is here
Me: You can go back to your friend late (lie)
Her: I’m going with my friend. It’s rude to leave her alone here. Let’s meet later on the week, just the two of us
Me: Yeah, my bad, I have the habit of leaving my friends to chase girls. Just put your number in here (extend my phone) and I’ll call you later.
(weak, but there probably will be a better way. Still got the number)
Got the number, 5 min later, texting:
- Hello, IceCream here. When are you free this week?
- I’m free tue, wednesday, thursday. I’m leaving saturday^^
- let’s coffee on wednesday :) ok
- what time^^
- 4 pm :)
- see you tomorrow afternoon^^
she’s waiting a bit
- my bad, see you wednesday afternoon^^
Gotta get the lay. Gotta get the lay man.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Planning for a date near my home. I texted her, after 10 AM.

Me: This afternoon you’re going to ______

(good because it’s a command)

Her: I don’t have a car

Likely it’s a test to see how I deal with this.

Me: Ok, let’s go somewhere near your home

Her: Yes, by the way do you know where’s my home?

Me: Not yet

(“Not yet” is better than “No, I don’t know” because it’s assume attraction)

Me: Where’s your home?

Her: ___________

I’m lucky this time, I pickup near that place.

Me: Ok good, do you know ______

Her: Yes I know

Me: Ok, this afternoon we’re going to _____

(I’m tempted to say “Go to _____, ok?” but it’s not good. The above assumes attraction + us vibe.)

Her: Okay
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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It's raining. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? Oh, no, oh no.
Anyway, I have a crazy idea:
Make her angry then recover with sweet talk
The issues I see with a lot of guys is that girls are not interested. Girls going cold. Apathy.
So the plan is to make her angry, then recover with sweet talk, for the emotional roller coaster.
I flaked.
 

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Analyze like a real chess player
1
Try to counter-rejection.
The standard move is going like this:
- Preopen
- Use Chase’s lean in lean back opening style
- Continue if good reaction. Counter-rejection if it’s bad rejection. Do not persist.
After opening:
- Standard move is asking for her name.
2
Okay, I used the standard opening sequence. Not smooth, but she smile so it’s okay.
3 (best)
Opening sequence is smooth. She’s hooked. Awkward conversation though.
After opening:
- Ask for her name. Extend my hand to test compliance.
- Then what’s her hobby
Then relating (to fill verbal space) + move her. At the same time.
4 (most beautiful girl)
What if a girl is not in position?
Get in position (chase after her if necessary), and use the standard opening sequence.
5
Standard opening sequence.
Ask for her name. Extending hand failed to get compliance.
She said “Do we know each other?”
Standard line: “This is the first time we met”
Failed, but this line had best chance.
 

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Chase frame...holy shit the reaction
1
Should calmly saying “Come here”
Also change the target to her friend, “Your turn”
2
Chase frame...holy shit
The reaction.
Girl: “What’s up?”
Me: “Of course there is something ... when someone handsome like me comes talk with you. What’s your name”
They giggled like crazy.
Girl: “What for?” (while giggling)
Me: “To know someone handsome like me.”
They giggled like crazy, but going away.
The good thing was that a pair of girls come near me after that => good reaction = preselection
3
Korean foreigner.
Open as usual.
Her hand was wet.
I could have said: “Your hands are wet...nervous?” (chase frame)
4
Open as usual.
Her friend cockblocked: “We have something to do”
I said: “Wait! I’m a handsome person, so I’m more important”
They giggled like crazy.
Me: “What’s your name?”
Her: (her name)
Me: “(her name), that’s a beautiful name, though mine are more beautiful.”
 

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Girl feeds me food
Approach Invitation. I captured on it.
Open as usual.
Basic compliance went smoothly.
This girl constantly offered me food. I chased frame by jokingly said that she was bribing me.
No cockblock, meaning I was doing a fairly good job.
Mid compliance:
- I told her to tell me her hobby. She liked travel (good sign)
- I asked her the time, so she used the watch. She had a golden watch. Could have cold read
- I told her to “bribe me more food”
Big compliance failed: I asked them to move to another spot. She turned it down. Because I asked it too late.
Cold read:
- I told her that people like to travel are adventurous. She resisted this at first but later on this frame was assumed
Touch:
- Shoulder touch and arm touch was okay. No resistance.
- Lower back touching, she recoiled a bit. Because I used the palm. I should have used the fingertips to touch
Sex talk:
- She mentioned her friend and her having a matching shirt. I told her I liked it, both of you should visit my home (imply threesome)
- She said she liked to discover thing. I said we should discover each other
She acted offended but she was also enjoying the sex talk.
Moving the interaction forward:
- I mentioned early: We should have a coffee sometimes
- Then later on I asked. I persisted 2 times
- She asked where my home is. I said she should visit my home.
- Could have persisted more.
Get to know her:
- She was a tourist. I chased frame, saying that she came here to hunt a guy, luckily I’m here. She liked to travel.
- She was in college, studying environment.
- She was quite adventurous.
Handling objections/shit tests:
- She said if I went here alone. I used the answered in Chase’s 19 objections, “yes”
- When I asked her for coffee, she said my parents were waiting for me. I couldn’t say “you’re more important” because a man prioritizing her was unattractive. I replied, “You’re smart, I like it”, which was not good either because that rewards her resisting. The solid answer should be, “only 5 minutes. We can have fun with each other.”
- She said my voice was so slow. I ignored it.
- She introduced her friend. I briefly acknowledge the friend, then going back to her.
 

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IceCream said:
Ask for her name. Extending hand failed to get compliance.
She said “Do we know each other?”
Standard line: “This is the first time we met”

My reply to this question is usually, "we will."
 

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Thanks songbird, that's a solid response.
Though I discovered a better response: "How can you forget an awesome person like me?"
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Night street approach
2
She was startled.
3
Cockblock.
Meaning my approach had problem.
Probably it depended on the basic compliance. If it failed, it already no good. The best way is the “Your turn” line.
4
Same as above.
5
Approach invitation.
However she was startled when I touched her.
The line is “Don’t be so surprised.”
7
Possible approach invitation.
One thing I did correct was being chill, serene.
She was a bit surprised.
The line is: “Don’t be so surprised. What’s your name?”
9
She was startled. Panic.
Extreme emotion was good, if only I could find some way to make her laugh.
But at my current level, let her go is the best course of action.
13 (best)
Opening as usual.
Basic compliance went smoothly.
No cockblock, so I was doing a good job.
Her hand was wet. I commented: “Probably you are nervous...when meeting a handsome person like me.”
She laughed. She said: “My palms are sweaty.”
Then mid compliance: I asked for ger hobby. She liked drawing.
I reward her by saying she was creative. Then I related a bit.
Now, I should have got another compliance right away. Tell her to move.
But I didn’t. She went away. I went for The Small Ask: “We should get a coffee sometimes” but failed.
15
Potential approach invitation.
16
Misfire the line.
18
The girl wasn’t interested, but her friend did. I was sure of it.
Should have used the line “Your turn.”
19
She was excited
Chase frame worked well:
Her: “Do we know each other”
Me: “How come you forget a handsome person like me?”
She laughed.
Basic compliance went well.
Mid compliance: “What’s your hobby”
Her: “Sorry, I have a boyfriend”
Me: “Okay, I’ll be the secret one.”
Basically from now on I should assume she was interested, but she just cautioned me.
20
 

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Analysis, #2
After that many approaches and it still didn't work, I consulted the "What to Do When Your Approach Just Isn't Working".
Which vibe I have:
- Playful: With chase frame, handling objections, my bantering is reasonably good. I don't need to worry about that now.
- Dominant: Probably my worst vibe. Need physical power and male authority game.
- Sexual: With no-fapping 7 day cycles, and sex talk, it can be reasonably good.
Plus a couple of points, but it will take some time to implement them.
 

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Playing the prediction game
3 (best)
Prediction: Good, because she stands right next to me.
Analysis: Right, that was an approach invitation.
Her: Do we know each other?
Me: How come you forget an awesome person like me?
Get into conversation.
Compliance: Mid compliance was okay, she complied some, also she walked with me for a while.
Handling objection/shit test:
– When I asked her hobby, she said: “It’s too fast, we just met each other.” Need to handle this objection
– When I seeded my home, she said “It’s too soon, your home is the final destination but we need to know each other first”
– She said I should show her the city first, I should do this, I should do that. I need to know how to handle this test.
– She asked me how old I am. I said 23. She said "I'm 27, you should call me big sister."
– She told me to go other there (attempt to get compliance).
Move the interaction forward:
– When she asked “Where do you live?” I told her: “Around _____, by the way my home’s ceiling is interesting”
– I threw the coffee close at the end but it wasn’t that good.
Get to know her:
– She is a tourist
– She is older than me.
– This girl doesn’t open up however. Probably I’ll need the “what if the girl is not talkative” article.
I also used the male authority welcoming gesture.
Nonchalance, however I was sweating. Too many shit tests. Need to get familiar with this.
7
Prediction: Good, because she was a Korean foreigner, dressing well, alone, facing outside, she looked at me.
Analysis: True. Direct opener, going well.
Basic compliance was okay.
Also when she looked at me, I returned the look 0.5 seconds late. Next time do it earlier.
10
Prediction: Bad, she was looking away when she moved near me.
Analysis: It was good. She was smiling, and she said “what’s up?” I was too hesitating in moving the interaction forward.
She dressed well. Probably playing hard to get.
 

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One Approach and Frame Control
So a week ago, I approached 10 couples where I had more muscles than the guy.
Better rate. One girl was visibly excited. But the result was quite underwhelming.

Anyway, I found out that frame control is important. More important than muscles. Chase said there are 4 levels of frame control.
Level 1: Be right (highest)
Level 2: Choose the best path
Level 3: Know frame control
Level 4: Pickup lines (lowest)
Being right is difficult. Not impossible. But it requires heavy testing.
But best path is good. Good enough. I'm not always right, but I always select the best possible path (given the circumstances).

Anyways I traveled with my mom to another city. She was with me all the time. I didn't approach. I spent the time to become a frame control jedi though.
And then I thought, why not approach? If this is Hue or Richard they probably could make it work. It had to be sniper game.
Not 100%. I can only pick the best possible target, and then I still have to approach.

Oh yeah. The approach. It was an okay one. She smiled, okay conversation.
 
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