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Re: fog talks about women

Postby Sub-Zero » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:04 am

Also what are all the apps you recommend? Never heard much about badoo.
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Re: fog talks about women

Postby fog » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:16 pm

LR-: erratic old lady

this 33 year old woman messaged me first on hinge. i took a different angle than usual and was way less sexually direct. however i did an excellent job of building up some initial intrigue and curiosity from her.

eventually i demanded that she hang out with me. then some real interesting conversation happened and things got sexual real fast:

fog: i want you to hang out with me sometime
pokie: i have to hang out with you?
pokie: you should be thinking “gosh i wanna hang out with HER”
fog: lets put it this way. i want US to hang out so we can get to know each other better
pokie: thats so boring
fog: 100% the most boring thing on the planet
pokie: dating is the worst. i dont want to do it. right now i wanna get stoned and fucked but the guys I’m “dating” are playing these chase games and I’m gonna just go to bed disappointed again.
fog: lmfao then its a good thing i wasnt looking to get to know u on a date ;p
pokie: so how are we supposed to get to know each other
fog: we can get to know each others bodies
pokie: yeah but i dont want to know your body
fog: you dont have to know my body silly all you have to know is how mine is making YOU feel
pokie: ahh
fog: i have free time tonight
pokie: do you actually or do you just have time if I’m open
fog: yes i have free time tonight lmfao i dont work until 10am tomorrow. my place or yours?
pokie: i havent agreed yet. giving one more dater a chance if he mans up
pokie: if not mine
fog: alright i am not waiting all night so let me know soon
pokie: im not either
pokie: you have weed? i dont
fog: ya
fog: whats your address?
pokie: if you can make other plans do that
pokie: sorry my dear
pokie: this weekend though? I’m around

so she bailed on me for that night but we continued our conversation. she started screening me and was acting erratic and unpredictable...insisting on being called taniqua (even though it wasnt her real name)...messaging me like 10 times in a row. example:

pokie: where do you work
fog: i do marketing at X
pokie: nooo
pokie: like
pokie: location
pokie: I DONT WANT TO GET TO KNOW YOU
pokie: PFT

later in person i find out she has borderline personality disorder. explains a lot.

anyways, we made plans for saturday morning. the day rolls around and i take the trek to her place. shes lovely - probably the hottest girl ive hooked up with. she was really flexible and knew how to move too :)

but the most i could do was finger her and eat her out. i couldnt get it up. she was frustrated. it kills me just thinking about it. this is a stain on my life
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Re: fog talks about women

Postby fog » Sat May 11, 2019 5:43 pm

Online Game Improvements

I’ve been working on new tactics to get girls over to my place because I'm interested in improving quantity. Online I have identified several "types" of DTF girls. Unfortunately I am only able to succeed with one type. It always blows up with the other types. For example, I have run across girls who want to sext with me. I am very wary of girls wasting my time so I refuse to sext, or end up ruining the vibe, causing the girl to ghost. However, I have seen people who are really good at online game succeed with sexting. So, I am working outside my existing routine sometimes. I understand time will pass before I start succeeding with all the types (very impatient). but just succeeding with one new type will get me 2-3 new lays per month.

im also tweaking my existing routine. i have been using open loops to get buy in to set the sexual frame. also, instead of screening for their sexual preferences after setting the sexual frame, I offer them a booty massage. It seems to be working just as well as the screening. Too soon to tell if it's better.

I plan to experiment with huge frame changes. For example, what will happen when I set a sexual frame in the first part of the conversation, then do a 180 over to a relationship frame? Or the opposite? What will be the reaction of the girls? I know that this would likely not be too effective at all, but it would help me deepen my understanding of things.

One notable pattern: girls get an emotional spike when we’re making plans.

Attainability Understandings

- i know that when a girl is trying to make me jealous by bringing up other guys, its a sign of an attainability issue

- When i have low attainability with a girl, she will be looking for reasons to reaffirm her belief that i am not actually interested in her. So it’s important to not give her reasons to reaffirm that belief.

- (not necessarily attainability related) Sometimes I feel pressured to act a certain way around people. And that’s exhausting. It makes me not want to hang out with that person. I bet that girls feel pressured to act a certain way around me too, if i set the wrong precedent. So I think it’s ultra important to ask girls to come as they are around me and not judge them for whoever they want to be. This could help with expressing their sexual selves too.

Daygame

i have started daygaming again. Finally got over the initial approach anxiety. My overarching goals for this round will be to go for insta-dates, insta-lays, and to sexualize every single one of my interactions.

Allowing Girls To Express Their Attraction?

had a girl over the other week. i was extremely aggressive with her, but she gave me massive resistance and it ended up becoming a test storm derived from low attainability. i was able to keep her in a submissive state for an extended period of time, which is the first time ive been able to do so with any girl. she was whining that she really wanted to go to the park with me. i kept saying no and trying to make a move on her. after repeated failed persistence, i eased off and took her to the park. she bought me a coffee and kissed me on the cheek. i do have a habit of "smothering” girls, and when i ease off they start expressing their attraction for me.

we have made plans to hang out again.

Punishing Girls

i am quick to punish girls when they do something i dont like. for example, if they generate negative compliance with me, i will give them a wishy-washy vocal tone. if they are mean to me, or tease me too hard, i will withdraw my attention. to them, this shows that i have lost some attraction for them.

not displaying this behaviour shows i am chasing the girl.
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Re: fog talks about women

Postby fog » Sun May 12, 2019 9:10 pm

LR: her screams did not sound indian

we had made plans for her to come over friday night for a “booty massage.” but friday rolls around and shes MIA.

the next day i follow up with her to reschedule. she answers right away and says shes able to come over after midnight. which is way past my bedtime. but i dont care.

i meet her on the street and immediately hear an accent. turns out shes indian. im surprised. from her tinder pics, i would have guessed she was some white chick.

we go into my room. she gives me bedroom eyes and exposes her neck to me pretty quickly. we start making out and the good news is that I’m not experiencing problems getting it up :)

we get our pants off quickly and get straight into fucking without even taking any other clothing off. initially, the sex is pretty shitty. i get discouraged and start fingering her.

however after that, i fuck her in adapted missionary and some magic starts to happen. she climaxes a few times, just as hard as she did when i fingered her. all disappointment in the air is gone. overall this is a first, prior to this girls were never climaxing when i fucked them. and if they did it was pretty weak.

anyways, this girl is ridiculously loud and the noises are unexplainable. shes whimpering, whining, screaming, and moaning all at the same time. these sounds do not have an indian accent to them. my roommates and her friends come home in the middle of this and im worried they think someone is getting murdered in my room.

afterwards, we're cuddling and she says this:

girl: im drained. how did you do all that? no ones ever done that to me before!


she stays the night. we fuck a bit the next morning and then she leaves. im so exhausted that i have to flake on 2 other different girls that had agreed to come over to my place that day. sucks, i was hoping for a triple play
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Re: fog talks about women

Postby fog » Sat May 18, 2019 9:57 pm

LR: third times a charm

this girl was from hinge. she said she wasnt looking for anything specific so i offered her a booty massage. she thought it sounded interesting.

the massage offer is doing well online lately :)

the first time we were supposed to chill, she flaked on me because she got called into work.

the second time we were supposed to chill, i flaked on her. we had made plans for her to come to my place for 6pm. i fell asleep at 4pm cuz i was so tired from fucking the girl in my last LR the night before. she texted me to let me know she was on her way, but i was still sleeping so i didnt respond. she showed up anyways and waited around outside for a bit before heading home. dont know why she would leave if i didnt respond when she said she was on her way.

we started making plans a third time, but she randomly didn’t reply to one of my texts. so i sent one of my usual re-engagement texts to her. she answered:

girl: oh fuck sorry i forgot to reply


i noticed girls behave like this and always send this exact same text (in reply to my re-engagement text) when my value has dropped in some way. i was a little worried about what would happen, but handled it right and we ended up getting together.

i went over to her place. she was a pretty aggressive kisser, i took that as a sign that she wanted me to be really rough with her, which i was. i was biting her and grabbing her to the point where she told me to calm it down a little bit cuz i was hurting her lol

we were on this awkwardly shaped couch then moved to her bed. i had a hard time getting it up at first, but eventually my dick figured it out and she let me fuck her raw. i gotta stop messing around like this. it wasnt even worth it because the sex was…not so good

im stuck at this plateau with getting better with sex, its driving me crazy. probably time to do extensive research and ask some people some questions
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Re: fog talks about women

Postby Sub-Zero » Sun May 19, 2019 2:24 am

@fog

What's your reengagement text?

What would you recommend to get a girl out that flaked on you for a dumb reason?

Chick gave me such a dumb reason and had to just take some time off to focus on other women and things.

Seems like these online chicks flake sometimes.

Learning how to handle this will help with all these chicks because they do dumb shit.
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Re: fog talks about women

Postby fog » Sun May 19, 2019 3:18 pm

hey sub, i use several depending on the situation: "?" "weeeeelll?" or "do you have any felonies i should know about?" .. still experimenting though

flaking is really common in online game. its a pain i know but you gotta get used to it

i read your field report in the general forum and you didnt describe the situation in a way that would allow me to give you some half decent help. if you wanna pm me the convo and a more detailed overview of the situation id be more than happy to help you out.

besides that, id recommend following up on flakes by text or phone call (depends on how well you know her) within 24 hours to reschedule. in other instances, there might be some hidden objections that you need to uncover and solve for the girl before you can get her out.

for example there was this one girl recently who was very receptive to coming over, but she randomly disappeared. i was quite aggressive with my follow up and eventually teased out an objection: she lives with strict parents and doesnt like to have to lie to them about where she is, especially if she's doing something they dont approve of. i wouldnt have found that out if i didnt probe. she probably didnt want to have to explain that to a random internet stranger lol, it was easier to just cut contact. gave me a bit of insight into flakey behavior
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