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JacobPalmer said:naturalmikey said:
This doesn't explain anything lol.
not at all. it's pretty easy to get a bisexual stripper over when you have a model posing in your living room.
JacobPalmer said:naturalmikey said:
This doesn't explain anything lol.
naturalmikey said:JacobPalmer said:naturalmikey said:
This doesn't explain anything lol.
not at all. it's pretty easy to get a bisexual stripper over when you have a model posing in your living room.
metalbird said:The reason most men will never have success with women is due to lack of fundamentals. No amount of game will make up for being ugly/poor/dumb. And while there are measures a man can take to improve these things, a lot of them are environmentally/genetically determined to a large degree. It's really just survival of the fittest.
strictlyincreasing said:metalbird said:The reason most men will never have success with women is due to lack of fundamentals. No amount of game will make up for being ugly/poor/dumb. And while there are measures a man can take to improve these things, a lot of them are environmentally/genetically determined to a large degree. It's really just survival of the fittest.
This is it exactly. I disagree with the OP and agree with this. With fundamentals, you either have them or you don't. Look at Hector's story. Back when he was a video game playing nerd with no social skills, he had ladies agreeing to be his girlfriend. Yet guys on here are in shape, with their lives, social skills and social life in order but can't get girls. How could Hector do it so easily before he knew anything about seduction or game? His natural fundamentals! It's the same for you, naturalmikey. You're a 9/10; we have all seen your photos mate so no need to be humble!
The frames that you listed in your opening post can't just be obtained by imagining or thinking about them. They come from actually experiencing and seeing them. It's the same thing with the abundance mentality One must see or feel abundance to have the mentality. Men with poor fundamentals are not the prize and do not have lots of options. Imagine having to do 30 approaches to get a solid (non flake) phone number. That's the reality for a few guys I know with poor fundamentals. That's at least 4 hours of work to get a date. It's likely more than 4 hours of course. But a guy like that is not going to feel like a prize. He is not going to feel like women want his validation. He is not going to feel like he is awesome. That's not because he has a negative mindset (who could do 30 approaches to get a date and have a negative mindset... you need a strong mentality) but because all the evidence that he is seeing in his daily life is telling him that he's not a prize, that the average woman does not want him and that he is not so special. It's not so difficult to figure out. Don't even get me started on Tinder. If you can organize a date in 30 minutes on Tinder, then that's another thing you have above the guy who has to do 30 approaches per date. Tinder and apps just separate the guys with good fundamentals from the guys with poor fundamentals, making the gap even larger.
It's not a crime to have excellent fundamentals like yours. But please do not go around blaming men for their troubles when most guys do not have your opportunities, primarily because of their fundamentals. You did work hard to make the most of your opportunities and learn and that's more than most guys can say. But there are a hundred guys with poor fundamentals who would love to have that opportunity, and their minds are not in the wrong place.
naturalmikey said:inner game is the number one fundamental. without it leading, eye contact... is gonna be dificult. also i’m a 7/10. in my area i will never be the best looking guy at any venue. and i’m not the hottest match a girl is gonna get.
naturalmikey said:inner game is the number one fundamental. without it leading, eye contact... is gonna be dificult. also i’m a 7/10. in my area i will never be the best looking guy at any venue. and i’m not the hottest match a girl is gonna get.
strictlyincreasing said:naturalmikey said:inner game is the number one fundamental. without it leading, eye contact... is gonna be dificult. also i’m a 7/10. in my area i will never be the best looking guy at any venue. and i’m not the hottest match a girl is gonna get.
6ft tall, white, full head of hair over the age of 35. This makes you minimum 8/10 regardless of anything else. Then you know a little about seduction and how to dress etc. This pushes you over 9/10. Be proud of it, man.
Inner game is a myth. It is obtained by actual experiences. If a guy has had 25 approaches with none hooking, his inner game will automatically be that women are tough and that life is hard. If his 3rd approach of the day hooks and 20 approaches in he has 5 dates set, he's going to have the mindsets that you listed. That's all the inner game is. It's using real success to have a success mindset. It is not lying to oneself. Then it all comes back to fundamentals. The only difference between the two guys in this hypothetical scenario could be the fundamentals. They cause the different results and then cause the different inner game.
Rain said:strictlyincreasing said:naturalmikey said:inner game is the number one fundamental. without it leading, eye contact... is gonna be dificult. also i’m a 7/10. in my area i will never be the best looking guy at any venue. and i’m not the hottest match a girl is gonna get.
6ft tall, white, full head of hair over the age of 35. This makes you minimum 8/10 regardless of anything else. Then you know a little about seduction and how to dress etc. This pushes you over 9/10. Be proud of it, man.
I thought there might be more to it than that, in terms of looks? eg face shape, body shape, skin condition, teeth condition can affect mens looks rating as opposed to just being 6ft and long hair and you're instantly a 7 or an 8?
Inner game is a myth. It is obtained by actual experiences. If a guy has had 25 approaches with none hooking, his inner game will automatically be that women are tough and that life is hard. If his 3rd approach of the day hooks and 20 approaches in he has 5 dates set, he's going to have the mindsets that you listed. That's all the inner game is. It's using real success to have a success mindset. It is not lying to oneself. Then it all comes back to fundamentals. The only difference between the two guys in this hypothetical scenario could be the fundamentals. They cause the different results and then cause the different inner game.
For me pesonally I do believe some of my fundamentals are stuck, but maybe not all of them. It is a struggle to have to do more approaches as you say.
Also have a read of this thread about looks and/or muscles vs game, in case it helps. It's locked but Chase and a few other highly ranked members have made posts.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15963
eg talks about how its good to try and do both fundamentals and game, but there are guys who only do good fundamentals with a little game and vice versa who can do very well with women if I understand the thread correctly. As well as muscles being only one part of fundamentals, not everything for example, or being tall. It's only one part of it. I'm not an expert just recycling what I've read by those with more experience than myself.
strictlyincreasing said:Rain said:strictlyincreasing said:naturalmikey said:inner game is the number one fundamental. without it leading, eye contact... is gonna be dificult. also i’m a 7/10. in my area i will never be the best looking guy at any venue. and i’m not the hottest match a girl is gonna get.
6ft tall, white, full head of hair over the age of 35. This makes you minimum 8/10 regardless of anything else. Then you know a little about seduction and how to dress etc. This pushes you over 9/10. Be proud of it, man.
I thought there might be more to it than that, in terms of looks? eg face shape, body shape, skin condition, teeth condition can affect mens looks rating as opposed to just being 6ft and long hair and you're instantly a 7 or an 8?
Inner game is a myth. It is obtained by actual experiences. If a guy has had 25 approaches with none hooking, his inner game will automatically be that women are tough and that life is hard. If his 3rd approach of the day hooks and 20 approaches in he has 5 dates set, he's going to have the mindsets that you listed. That's all the inner game is. It's using real success to have a success mindset. It is not lying to oneself. Then it all comes back to fundamentals. The only difference between the two guys in this hypothetical scenario could be the fundamentals. They cause the different results and then cause the different inner game.
For me pesonally I do believe some of my fundamentals are stuck, but maybe not all of them. It is a struggle to have to do more approaches as you say.
Also have a read of this thread about looks and/or muscles vs game, in case it helps. It's locked but Chase and a few other highly ranked members have made posts.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15963
eg talks about how its good to try and do both fundamentals and game, but there are guys who only do good fundamentals with a little game and vice versa who can do very well with women if I understand the thread correctly. As well as muscles being only one part of fundamentals, not everything for example, or being tall. It's only one part of it. I'm not an expert just recycling what I've read by those with more experience than myself.
Those small things like teeth and body shape are worth less than 0.5 on the fundamentals scale. We have to look at men's fundamentals objectively, and try to do it through the eyes of a woman, not through the eyes of a man. Of course we men love facial structure, body shape etc. Women are less bothered and are more interested in his hair loss status, his height and his ethnic makeup. It's hard for us to recognize that.
Chase himself got some of his best results while overweight. That's how he got his first girlfriend and he even had a week of 3 lays when he was badly overweight. Similarly, Hector stopped working out and let his belly fat build up and had no difference in his results. The base fundamentals that I mentioned make up for 80% of your fundamentals and if you have all three, like naturalmikey has, then you get the full 80% i.e. you are 8/10 by default.