FR  Starts well, ends stone cold

LichtenbergFigures

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Let me preface this by saying a few days ago I asked in the beginners for a few tips for this date and tried to employ them last night. Unfortunately my core fundamentals are pretty poor so it possibly came off as a bit odd. I also need to say I live on an island of 90,000 people (Isle of Man) and meeting truly NEW people is a challenge just by itself! Everybody knows everybody in some way!

So I meet up with this girl, we'll call her BigK (she actually isn't big, she's 5'1 and slim), for a pre-arranged meal at a casual Italian place. We'd both agreed on this because it wasn't too expensive, it was casual and we'd both never been there before. 19:45 she meets me outside Iceland. We embrace and I kiss her on the cheek. With one hand still on her waist I tell say:

"You look stunning... almost as good as me!" *wink*
She laughs and I say, "but seriously, you do" and she thanks me.

We start walking to the Italian and she immediately asks me how my day was, I tell it was fine, good and I turn it back on her and ask her what trouble she's been getting into. She tells me no trouble, just that she's been really busy. I use a line from this site then, "I don't believe you, that angelic face isn't fooling me" with what I'd hoped was a cheeky sexy smile. She laughs and reiterates no trouble. She mentions something to do with something making her taste like peaches (I don't remember what) and I ask:
"Don't you already taste like peaches?"
Her reply "That sounds a bit dirty"
Me "Well you've just made it dirty!"
Her "Oookay, moving on!".

We talk a little more about work and she asks me what I do. I use something else from here and say, "All sorts of things" (technically true); she pushes "Such as...?" Me: "I satisfy people's needs". At this point she states she thinks she's in the wrong job because she had someone emailed her details of a pornstar/modelling site and out of curiosity she had a look. Turns out all the models were really ugly, so she reckoned if that was all it took to be one, she'd get a job really easily. I tell her I had assumed she was a sexy secretary, which she immediately shot down by saying being a secretary would really bore her. She likes a job that challenges her (in retrospect, what she was really telling me is that she likes a man that challenges her too). She asked me again about my job, which I told her and it immediately deflated the whole thing (my job IS incredibly dull and really not a challenge).

So we're in the Italian waiting to get seated. She expresses horror at me just having water (she was driving so had coke). I'm honest and just say I don't drink as much any more (I really don't). Then and when we were seated, the conversation seems good. There are a few areas where I know I messed up, in retrospect. For instance, she asked me if I had a healthy appetite - the correct answer was yes, but instead I foolishly tell her I've been watching my weight and have been on a keto diet for the last 3 months. She again expresses horror and informs me that keto/Atkins makes you smell really bad because her Dad did Atkins. She then launches into a diatribe about the kind of guy she wants isn't skinny, or a hunk, but someone who loves their food (she later showed me a meme that said something like "big men cuddle better" or something). I'm neither a hunk nor skinny, so really I should have been her type, but the whole diet thing really really put her off. I did try to rescue it by saying I was less strict with it now (which is true), but the damage was done I feel.

We talked about tattoos and how her ex had her name tattooed on him. She threw me a test question about what names were acceptable as tattoos - the correct answer was family; I said family. Plus points there then. The conversation moves to her passion for kids. She wants a family but she's also quite high up in her company, despite being only 21 so she feels a little stuck in continuing the career or stopping for kids. I suggest at her age, there is time to do both.

She gave my stick about my shoes which she liked but still referred to them as, "shit flickers" due to their shape.

We paid not quite half and half - I paid a bit more because she had offered me a lift home. I enquired as the night was still young (it was) if she'd like to do something else before taking me home. She said no and then listed all the reasons (the current time, the time taken to drive there and back etc). We're driving back and she's got the music on full blast - the car is warm, but its very cold by this point. She'd asked me about taking some photos of her, so I enquire about what kind. She tells me she wants some sexy ones, but she wasn't going to tell me the ideas she had while I was sat next to her in the car, but another time. I suggest maybe we can incorporate some horror movies (both love them) into next time. She is evasive and gives me a maybe. Music back up.

Okay final bit (its getting a bit long) so she drops me outside my place and she tells me the building and flat she grew up in. Turns out, it is the exact same flat I now currently live in. As I said before, its a small island. So we have a laugh about that. I tell her she'll have to come in sometime. Another "maybe". At this point the phone is out and she's Snapchatting. I figure I might get some kind of thanks and goodbye embrace but nothing. So I get out, she says she'll message me later (she didn't, but I knew she wouldn't) and off she goes.

Still, the food was good!
 

Smith

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Re: FR/FU: Starts well, ends stone cold

Hey LF,

Good report! I'll assume this is your first date with the girl, you met her through cold approaches.

You started out well with some light banter.

"Don't you already taste like peaches?"
Her reply "That sounds a bit dirty"
Me "Well you've just made it dirty!"
Her "Oookay, moving on!".

I think it would've been better to act innocent, suggesting she's the dirty one. There's also the element of how you delivered it.
Her: "That sounds a bit dirty"
Me: "what? peaches?" with an innocent look
Her: "haha noooo"
Me: "tsk tsk tsk" shake your head with a knowing smile. but pull her closer or touch her to qualify her.

At this point she states she thinks she's in the wrong job because she had someone emailed her details of a pornstar/modelling site and out of curiosity she had a look. Turns out all the models were really ugly, so she reckoned if that was all it took to be one, she'd get a job really easily.

Good opportunity here to create a fantasy. Hope you didn't miss it.

I tell her I had assumed she was a sexy secretary, which she immediately shot down by saying being a secretary would really bore her. She likes a job that challenges her (in retrospect, what she was really telling me is that she likes a man that challenges her too)

Hope you deep dived here about her dream job.

I'm neither a hunk nor skinny, so really I should have been her type, but the whole diet thing really really put her off. I did try to rescue it by saying I was less strict with it now (which is true), but the damage was done I feel.

She's making you chase without u even knowing it. Own the shit you're doing. Being challenging. Treat her like a child. When she dis you about the Atkins diet and how it smells bad.
"haha that is silly! I think maybe Mcdonald makes you smell bad, not Atkins."
And then after she launched into the type of guy she wants - not skinny, or a hulk, but someone who loves food. Keep teasing her. Your tone of voice and facial expression is really important here. U don't wanna offend her, but just poking fun at her trying to get u to qualify urself.
"U know...there are plenty of guys like that in KFC. They sure love those chicken wings!"
I bet she would be embarrassed to show u that meme now lol

She gave my stick about my shoes which she liked but still referred to them as, "shit flickers" due to their shape.

When a girl gives u shit like this, you need to respond quick without thinking too much and not taking it seriously. Like it doesn't bother you. Again, own those shoes.
"yea man, now all I need is a dog to put these bad boys to use"

I enquired as the night was still young (it was) if she'd like to do something else before taking me home. She said no and then listed all the reasons (the current time, the time taken to drive there and back etc).

I don't get it. Why not invite her home? lol then she doesn't have to drive back and forth.

Okay final bit (its getting a bit long) so she drops me outside my place and she tells me the building and flat she grew up in. Turns out, it is the exact same flat I now currently live in. As I said before, its a small island. So we have a laugh about that. I tell her she'll have to come in sometime.

why not just tell her to come in right now for a quick look? lol Persist brother.

You didn't mention any physical touch except at the beginning, but I understand touching is hard when you're at a restaurant sitting opposite each other.

- Smith
 

LichtenbergFigures

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Re: FR/FU: Starts well, ends stone cold

Thanks for the input Smith.

Smith said:
Hey LF,

Good report! I'll assume this is your first date with the girl, you met her through cold approaches.

Sort of. I met her at a friend's kids birthday party a little while back. I was there as the photographer so I was quite busy, but grabbed her number before I left.

You started out well with some light banter.

I think it would've been better to act innocent, suggesting she's the dirty one. There's also the element of how you delivered it.
Her: "That sounds a bit dirty"
Me: "what? peaches?" with an innocent look
Her: "haha noooo"
Me: "tsk tsk tsk" shake your head with a knowing smile. but pull her closer or touch her to qualify her.

Good point.

Good opportunity here to create a fantasy. Hope you didn't miss it.

I did, unfortunately. What would have been a good thing to say?

Hope you deep dived here about her dream job.

I didn't as she started talking about other things to do with her current job, but it came up again later and I found out her dream job would be to work with kids, such as in a nursery.

She's making you chase without u even knowing it. Own the shit you're doing. Being challenging. Treat her like a child. When she dis you about the Atkins diet and how it smells bad.
"haha that is silly! I think maybe Mcdonald makes you smell bad, not Atkins."
And then after she launched into the type of guy she wants - not skinny, or a hulk, but someone who loves food. Keep teasing her. Your tone of voice and facial expression is really important here. U don't wanna offend her, but just poking fun at her trying to get u to qualify urself.
"U know...there are plenty of guys like that in KFC. They sure love those chicken wings!"
I bet she would be embarrassed to show u that meme now lol

Haha this sounds really good here, but I have no idea what her reaction would have been. I'm not sure I could have pulled it off.

When a girl gives u shit like this, you need to respond quick without thinking too much and not taking it seriously. Like it doesn't bother you. Again, own those shoes.
"yea man, now all I need is a dog to put these bad boys to use"

I did tease her for not knowing what style they were, suggestion that women should be the gurus of shoes.

I don't get it. Why not invite her home? lol then she doesn't have to drive back and forth.

My original plan was to get back to her place which was 5 minutes away from the restaurant. My first mistake was actually agreeing to come into the city to meet her in the first place, with her offering me a lift home, instead of having her come to me. Being in a small town with a lot less places to eat, it is always my immediate thought, but yeah in hindsight it would have been a good first test to gauge her interest in me.

why not just tell her to come in right now for a quick look? lol Persist brother.

You didn't mention any physical touch except at the beginning, but I understand touching is hard when you're at a restaurant sitting opposite each other.

- Smith

I think because of the 30 minute journey of blaring music and her singing, by the time we got back to mine it just felt cold. I didn't feel defeated, but by that point I really wasn't sure persistence was going to work.

Again, with the touching, by the time we'd left the restaurant and she'd said no to having a further adventure, it felt a little like touching would come off as a little creepy and unnatural. Like "Why is he touching me?".

Any opinion on her asking me if I would take sexy photos of her, but then refusing to tell me what ideas she had until another time?

Thanks for your comments.
 

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Re: FR/FU: Starts well, ends stone cold

hey bro just wanted to chime in with some words of encouragement. you got out there, you did a workmanlike job and you learned a lot. good on you. similar thing happened to me recently and you know what, it was a pain in the arse but the next date went 100% better and yours will too. just make it sooner rather than later. :) i did some more approaches this week, nothing doing so will have to get the numbers up, you too i hope. :)
 

LichtenbergFigures

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Re: FR/FU: Starts well, ends stone cold

ray_zorse said:
hey bro just wanted to chime in with some words of encouragement. you got out there, you did a workmanlike job and you learned a lot. good on you. similar thing happened to me recently and you know what, it was a pain in the arse but the next date went 100% better and yours will too. just make it sooner rather than later. :) i did some more approaches this week, nothing doing so will have to get the numbers up, you too i hope. :)

Thanks Ray. The bizarre thing is I do actually have a LR from the weekend, albeit it might well be the briefest LR known to man being as I barely even did much to achieve it!

In an odd way, it seems its the dating aspect I'm most terrible with. There are women who clearly want me, but its that inbetween phase of the cold approach and the getting to bed I'm the most useless at. With the LR there was alcohol involved, but she wasn't drunk and neither was I. I just moved her very quickly and made it incredibly clear what I wanted. Maybe I'll put it up.
 

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Re: FR/FU: Starts well, ends stone cold

bizarre, a plum fell into my lap today too, but i didn't want to mention it in case you were feeling a little down, hehehe, sometimes they do indeed do most of the work and just need a little help in closing. :) anyway after your earlier post in beginner board i was keen to hear how things went. keep it up :)
 
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