LR  Street Approach, ESL Girl, Second Date Fun

Grand Pooba

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On the same day that I met the Open Marriage girl (https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21254), literally an hour and two approaches later I met this girl. I was crossing the street after my meeting and on the way to another meeting with a client. Crossed Park Avenue and saw a Japanese girl with a bright white umbrella check me out as I was crossing. I immediately doubled back and approached her with my confident walk opener. She responded warmly but was initially confused abot what I was saying.

Oh boy, it’s a foreign girl but she barely knows English. And she’s hot.

She immediately started pacing me, I started talking to her and to my utter surprise once we got to the next corner she took her umbrella and raised it over me while giving me crazy eye contact, so that we were both shielded from the rain (it was drizzling lightly by that time).

Okay, wow – so she’s foreign Japanese and can barely speak English, but she’s also highly attracted to me. And she’s pretty hot! An 8 on my scale.

This one’s going to be very interesting – and unique.

I told her that I had to go meet my client soon just down the street (false time constraint) but in about five minutes I asked her very basic questions – slowly – about where she’s from and what she’s doing in New York, and how it compares to Japan. Turns out she’s some kind of IT specialist for a Japanese company and has only been in NYC for a year or two, and likes it more than she liked Tokyo. She was on her way to the post office at the time to send some mail when I stopped her. I suggested on the spot that we meet again soon, and asked her if she likes art and jazz. Then, I told her that there’s a gallery exhibit in my area with an opening reception tonight, and asked her if she’s free – she replied that she’s not free that same evening, but would be free the following evening. No problem, we can instead go check it out tomorrow instead.

Instead of getting her number I traded contacts on Line, a Japanese messaging app. She found me on her phone, and while she was doing that I took her umbrella and held it for her, and also moved us more onto the sidewalk further from the edge of the street where we were standing.

After trading Line contacts we agreed to meet up the next evening.

We texted on Line soon after:
ME: Hello, it’s GP :)
HER: Hi, this is J. Did you make it on time to customer appointment? Thank you for talking to me:)
ME: Hi J :) I was a little late, but it was ok!
ME: Did you finish your errand? :)
HER: yes, I shipped some packages to Japan. It’s my side job:)

We chatted on line a little about what she does, that she’s lived in NYC about a year, and she started to ask a bit about what I do as well. I told her a little bit and that I’d love to tell her more over drinks the next day, and we set up a date for the following evening (plus the art gallery).

Unfortunately the next day she had to flake:
HER: I wanna drink and go to art gallery, but I am busy today. Some problems happened and I have to solve them. I might not be able to meet you…. I’ll let you know later whether I can go or not.

That was at like noon, and I was totally chill with it.
ME: Sure, just let me know :)

By the time 5pm rolled around she actually flaked in earnest, but asked me if I was free on Monday or Tuesday the next week. No problem for me, I just picked Tuesday and we set it like that. Instead of going on a date with her that evening I decided to go approach 8 more girls that evening and got even more leads to follow up with.

This girl required a radically different model from my dates – I learned from the above that she’s very good at texting in English, but doesn’t speak it well in person. And I found her just as sexy as she found me, which is why even though she flaked, she made sure to reschedule on the spot.

Since she’s Japanese there were a few things I could surmise already:
1. I wouldn’t be able to run my standard sex talk based verbal game - she wouldn't understand it. Instead I’d have to utilize more incidental touch and sexual contact.
2. Because she can’t speak English well, a better model would be to do many venues, lead her, and not invite her home on the first date. Instead, make it a very exciting and varied experience for her.
3. In fact, I’ve heard from several sources that Japanese girls like strong leads, but they’re also extremely conservative in terms of PDA. So I have to lead her well, but also be very subtle about my sexual intent.

Date #1 – Leading through Five Venues

I met up with her outside of my usual art gallery first date – except on this occasion this art gallery was having a comedy show in about an hour or so after we met up. I suggested to her that we go grab drinks first and then come back and watch the comedy show. She agreed.

Took her to a sour beer bar about two blocks away where we had one drink each, and I asked her more about her work, and more about how life compares to Tokyo versus NYC. As I learned about her I made sure to incidentally touch her with my knees to her knees, and also made strong sexual eye contact.

Then after that one drink we bounced to the art gallery and comedy venue. It was just $5 for each of us – I paid. We said down and while the comedy acts were going, I was closely watching her. After the second act I started to pick up on her not actually knowing what was going on with the acts. This wasn’t good – I can’t let the vibe drop while she’s here. So right after the second act ended, I proposed that we leave because the sun was about to set (it was almost 8pm at this point) and instead we should go check out a rooftop lounge nearby and watch the sunset there. She immediately accepted – and I broke a rule and GTFO out of that place.
Really unfortunate, I think she would have liked the art on the walls, but she couldn’t understand anything going on in the comedy show.

This time while walking to the lounge with her I had her put her hand in my arm and we walked like a couple about ten minutes to the rooftop lounge.

Once we got there she was super impressed – the views were great, the sun was setting, and she was mesmerized. I took some pictures of her with the city backdrop and then found a very quiet and hidden corner where almost no one went, and we sat on a couch together very close to each other. She was following every step of my lead, and now as we were looking at the drinks she was getting close up against me and also touching me on my leg periodically. I responded by putting my arm around her waist and pulling her even closer.

Got the drinks and then I started telling her more about my own work, and showed her pictures from some of my travels.

She started to mention halfway through drinks and the sun finally setting that she was hungry, and she was touching me a lot. I wasn’t sure what to make of this – one part of me thought that she might be suggesting that we go home and have food there, and I thought about pulling her home. However, at this point I had done nothing to arouse her although she was highly compliant – I thought I might experience a ton of LMR if I pulled her home. So instead of doing that, I showed her some food spots nearby on Google maps – and instead we bounced to a Korean spot that was about a ten minute walk away.

As we walked there it was already past 9pm and she walked close to me again with her hand in my arm, and I kept telling her about my travels and work projects, and learned more about her travels as well. Kept asking her a lot of very simple and basic social frame questions, like what she would do if she could live high school again knowing what she knows now, and where she would travel to if she could travel anywhere in the world.

As we got to the food venue we both got another full beer each and two plates of food, which we shared. They were all really good, but again I would end up paying for this. I guess that’s another Japanese custom – the man pays for stuff. This was unfortunately what I had to stick with – so I ended up paying for this as well while I fed her at times. The vibe definitely dropped over food, we were both kind of drunk and tired.

After this it was around 10pm, and I couldn’t end the date on a bad note. So I proposed we walk to a cocktail lounge with live music. She was reluctant at first, but I told her it would be fun and she complied after one try. Good. We again walked with me being a strong lead, slowly but firmly holding her close, ending up at this place where they played live music. On the walk over I told her I had to get up really early the next morning for an important work meeting, so I couldn’t stay long because I had to sleep early, but also kept reiterating that I was having a great time with her.

Got to the live music place, this time we got a cocktail to share that she picked. It didn’t taste good so I ended up drinking most of it. We stayed at the music venue for 45min until around 11pm, and this time I held my hand firmly on her thigh. We didn’t talk much but she was having a lot of fun.

Afterwards I walked her to the subway stop that she needed to get to – told her I had a really great time with her as I rubbed my nose and forehead against her (like a tight eskimo kiss) but DID NOT kiss her – this was a great move. I let go before she knew what was going on and told her I’d see her soon.

Setup for Date #2

On Wednesday morning I got a text out of the blue:
HER: Good morning, GP! Thank you yesterday. I had fun :) Did you make it on time to meeting this morning?

This is already a really good sign, it’s exactly what I wanted to happen. I chatted with her a bit that day, and then on the next day (Thursday) I proceeded to setup the next date like so:
ME: Hey J, I’d love to get together and cook something with you soon. Are you free Monday or Tuesday evening? :)
HER: Hi GP, sounds good! What do we cook? I am free next Monday.
ME: Awesome, Monday is great – does 6:15 work for you?
ME: How about Thai or Tex-Mex food? :)
HER: 6:15 is fine. I want to try Tex-Mex food without cilantro:)
ME: Haha – I think we can do it without the cilantro ;) we’ll meet at a grocery store and go from there!
ME: I’ll message you on Sunday with details :)
HER: Great! I am waiting message from you:)

Finally on Sunday I texted her details with where to meet around 5pm in the evening and we confirmed plans.

Date #2 – Grocery Shopping and Cooking


Since I set up a second date as a cooking date – luckily she accepted with no resistance - I told her that we should meet up at 6:15pm outside the grocery store, and we’d go pick the ingredients together before heading back home.

I had her meet me outside the grocery store (anti flake confirmation on Monday morning) and she approached me dressed to the 9s, looking fucking hot. Man, still couldn’t communicate well but this girl looks great.

Took her into the grocery store and spent the next half an hour having her push the cart around while I touched her a lot and told her to go find things for me – we basically split responsibilities but I was again leading her the whole time. She complied and did what I told her to do, and it was fun. I paid for the whole grocery bill and gave her some stuff to carry, then we walked a block to my place.

Spent the next hour or so cooking up a storm – had her cut things while I just led and told her what to do, and commandeered the kitchen. We made rice and steak tacos, and palomas with Mezcal for drinks.

A Meal on the Roof

Finally we ended up going on my roof and eating a great meal – she loved it. Everything tasted great and the drinks were good. I made sure it was prepped perfectly and professionally. She loved the view and I could tell she was having fun – so I made a move for the kiss.

She denied me initially and then proceeded to give me her final shit tests (I have an article coming out on this soon):
HER: I have some questions for you?
ME: <Smirk and laugh> Oh really, okay…. Hmm, what questions do you have?
<At first she started laughing and then got ready to prep for them… I could tell she had thought a lot about this. I was about to face a bunch of shit tests>
HER: When we met each other we exchanged numbers on Line. Why do you have Line? Is it because you were dating a Japanese girl before?
Ah yeah, I’ve faced something like this before and have failed multiple times. In the past when I had a foreign girl in my bed who saw me as a potential boyfriend start asking me questions about what kinds of girls I’d dated previously, I used to say something that was not her type. I.e. if it was a Chinese girl in my bed, I'd say I usually date White girls. This was a huge mistake – retrospectively I was devaluing her and disqualifying her for something more with me, and basically to a girl this becomes more of a risk of a pump and dump. Inevitably after that every girl would get super reserved and start wanting to go home without us having sex or getting together, and they'd auto-reject.

This time I knew exactly what to say as a result of those experiences. A lot of my answers are half truths below – I had to frame them in a socially acceptable way. So I’ll show the real answers and [in brackets] the reasons why this worked.

ME: Well, yeah, I did date a Japanese girl [Had to say this because she wants to be sure I’m actually attracted to her, not just using her for easy sex, and to make sure that she actually feels like she has a shot with me]
HER: How long ago was that?
ME: That was like two years ago [long enough to have moved on from the previous girl]
HER: So she moved back to Japan?
ME: No, she moved to San Francisco [she didn’t go back home and it ended on natural terms. I didn’t have line just to stay in touch with her.]
HER: Why did she move there?
ME: She got the job of her dreams, at Apple. I obviously stayed here in New York, but I’m really happy for her. [took the data of a previous mLTR who was Chinese and just made her Japanese, but this was a high value frame because it ended naturally, not because of some drama or relationship problems.]
HER: Oh wow, she sounds really smart
ME: Yeah, she was and I'm happy for her, she was really excited about it [I have high standards and I date smart girls, which this girl considered herself too]
HER: So you haven’t been with a girl since then?
ME: Well I’ve just been working a lot, setting up my business and all [I’ve been busy working and dating]
<Pause>
ME: Have you ever dated an American guy? [time to reverse the frame]
HER: No I haven’t
ME: What happened to the last guy you dated? [qualifying]
HER: He was Japanese, and he didn’t want me
ME: Oh, okay. Yeah that happens sometimes [accept her answer, no judgment]
HER: What exactly do you do for work? [Another social frame – am I actually legitimately whom I say I am?]
ME: Come here, it’s easier if I show you…

Pulled her close and started to show her my work on my phone, as well as my photographs from travel. In the process I grabbed her and picked her up and pulled her on top of me, then pulled her in close and kissed her. This time she complied – it was a slow, sensual, romantic kiss.

Moving Down to the Bed


After picking her up twice and pretending to go run and throw her off the roof, I suggested we go downstairs and watch a movie. She picked on she liked – The Intern – and we got in bed and started to watch it.

Now she was in my bed, and for the next two hours through the movie I continually made out with her and kissed her all over, and she gave playful resistance and kept telling us to go watch the movie. It was only a matter of time, I just had to keep cool.

I just kept on stopping and starting with the make outs, eventually playfully teasing her and mimicking her “no’s” and playfully slapping her away the same way she was slapping me away.

At some point about an hour and a half into the movie I kept making out with her, and then started to nibble on her ear, and noticed that her “no’s” started to morph into moans. So I just worked with that and focused on getting her horny – and eventually noticed that she wasn’t giving as much resistance anymore.

Pulled my hand over her pants (all her clothes were still on) and rubbed over her pussy – she moaned harder.

After a few minutes of this I put my hand into her pants and started to finger her – she was soaking wet and moaning like crazy now, starting to lose control.

Did that for like five minutes and quickly just took off all of her clothes and all of mine in like a minute. Now there was no resistance and she complied quickly.

I was rock hard and took off her bra and panties and was about to go down on her when she stopped me and told me to come up. Kissed her once more and right as I was about to enter her with my cock, she broke the kiss and said “do you have a condom?”

Oh yeah, ready for that one – pulled it out and had it on in ten seconds, and then thrusted in her slowly. She was so wet, and it took me a few minutes to get it all the way in. I started off slow, then went harder, and harder, and harder, until I was pounding away in missionary and she was losing her mind. I could feel her cum multiple times until after like ten minutes I exploded in her as well, and kept it in so she could feel me cum in the condom.

We embraced each other and I pulled out slowly, and both of us laughed. At this point there were only ten minutes left in the movie, so we cuddled and finished it.

Right after it was over she said she had to go (it was 11pm), so I offered to walk her to the subway station which was seven minutes away.

Planning to see her again this week.
 

sumwunimetonce

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Another great LR ... I would definitely have asked why the hell you had Line also !!!

I also need to find my own 'Rooftop Bar'

So whats the reason you keep iterating that you are having a good time ?

Even if its obvious do you think it's important to verbalize it ? Is this something you have learned from experience ?
 

Grand Pooba

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sumwunimetonce said:
So whats the reason you keep iterating that you are having a good time ?

Even if its obvious do you think it's important to verbalize it ? Is this something you have learned from experience ?

I think as you get better in game and gain more experience, you start to learn the nuances of game that specifically apply to you as an individual person, not just based on a certain game style or based on a website like GC. It's entirely based on your unique vibe and the image you portray to both the girls that are interested in you, and the girls whom you're interested in.

For me right now I most often run into attainability problems, with the girl ultimately not sure during the course of the seduction whether or not I actually like her and will stick around after sex. Value is no longer an issue - girls right now generally think I have sky high value, so ironically I am getting more rejections and harsh treatments right now from 7s than from 9s (speaking of which, had a few opportunities with 9s this past week alone but I fucked up all of them due to technical mistakes or LMR, hence no LRs to report there).

That being said, "I'm having a great time with you" does two things for me:

- It reiterates to a girl with whom you have attainability issues or potential attainability issues (she's not sure if she can actually get you, and thus is on the verge of autorejection) that I actually like her and am having fun with her. My own personality is more chill and less animated (think of James Bond) so I need to verbally reiterate to a girl that I like her and am having fun with her, because often my body language makes it seem like I'm not enjoying her that much. That's how she often reads it.
- It also tests to see if she's on the same page, so it's a bit of a qualifier. Often if a girl is having a great time, then she'll say something like "me too" or "i'm having a great time as well" or she'll physically get closer. If I have attainability issues, a girl will be far more hesitant to respond to this - and this means I need to build more comfort with her. If she says something like "great" or "okay" then she's already in auto-rejection and I already fucked up somewhere - for me it's usually not enough comfort built.
 
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