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TL;DR: Walked her home, didn't go in. Got the cheek. I don't label it FU because there's still plenty of possibility to make this work.
In the evening, I sparred with Married Woman again. While I was changing clothes one room away, I heard her greet another man in high spirits. She seems to like him a lot too. Most of the girls do. I decided to completely ignore that. When I walked in and stood next to her, I told her she was very cheerful, because she greeted me like that too. She told me about her two cats, and asked me if I had any pets. I barely remembered to qualify her by saying "I'm a cat person too, I like that you have them".
We sparred, and as usual there was plenty of touch. Then as she walked out I thought I had just missed her, but when I came out the door, she came out of the toilet room. We almost bumped into eachother (well, not really) and she apologised.
Note: she apologises all the time during sparring for no real reason: is this an IOI?
Outside, we talked a bit and she started to tell me (again) where she lived. I said "why don't you show me". And she said (to my surprise) "sure".
So I walked her home. While we walked, she told me about herself. She's of Polish-German descent, has been married for 17 years. She said she had it rough in the beginning with few friends when she moved to my country.
When she said she was married, I said "that's too bad" and she responded with a reaction of "shock", I don't know how else to call it. I also experienced the same when I asked another woman for her phone number during our first conversation.
When I said that she said "well, you never know", alluding to there being possibilities for us.
Anyway, she has a daughter. She said she married too young (interesting!). And she asked me about myself. I asked "what would you like to know?" and she asked (again!) if I was married or had a girlfriend. I said "not at the moment", which she interpreted as "only sometimes not", which I can live with (there's a small language barrier). She then actually verbalised that she likes me, which is why she was telling me so much about herself. I then reciprocated by saying "I like you too, you're different".
When we arrived at her house, she stood at an awkward angle where my bike was almost in between us. She again asked if we could spar next week on Monday as well. I made a little joke saying she was trying to reserve me for the rest of the year. No real response (she never really laughs at my jokes). She looked at me and I leaned in to kiss her (maybe too awkward, with too much space between us? Maybe try to pull her into me next time and/or look at her lips first to see if she's up for it).
She offered me the cheek but still she had a big smile on her face. I'm not sure I handled that right. First off, we were in her street and somebody might see us. Second, the moment maybe wasn't right. Next time I might ask her "why don't you show me some of your clothes" (she makes those) or "aren't you going to offer me a drink, I've come all this way". Better yet, I should prepare better and ask her if there's anybody home. Likely her daughter and/or husband were home.
I already explained to her exactly where I live in the beginning of the conversation, but I could try next time to show her where I live (which makes sense now that she's shown me where she lives) and then invite her in and seal the deal.
NOTES:
Everyone, please, educate me! What did I do right & wrong?
In the evening, I sparred with Married Woman again. While I was changing clothes one room away, I heard her greet another man in high spirits. She seems to like him a lot too. Most of the girls do. I decided to completely ignore that. When I walked in and stood next to her, I told her she was very cheerful, because she greeted me like that too. She told me about her two cats, and asked me if I had any pets. I barely remembered to qualify her by saying "I'm a cat person too, I like that you have them".
We sparred, and as usual there was plenty of touch. Then as she walked out I thought I had just missed her, but when I came out the door, she came out of the toilet room. We almost bumped into eachother (well, not really) and she apologised.
Note: she apologises all the time during sparring for no real reason: is this an IOI?
Outside, we talked a bit and she started to tell me (again) where she lived. I said "why don't you show me". And she said (to my surprise) "sure".
So I walked her home. While we walked, she told me about herself. She's of Polish-German descent, has been married for 17 years. She said she had it rough in the beginning with few friends when she moved to my country.
When she said she was married, I said "that's too bad" and she responded with a reaction of "shock", I don't know how else to call it. I also experienced the same when I asked another woman for her phone number during our first conversation.
When I said that she said "well, you never know", alluding to there being possibilities for us.
Anyway, she has a daughter. She said she married too young (interesting!). And she asked me about myself. I asked "what would you like to know?" and she asked (again!) if I was married or had a girlfriend. I said "not at the moment", which she interpreted as "only sometimes not", which I can live with (there's a small language barrier). She then actually verbalised that she likes me, which is why she was telling me so much about herself. I then reciprocated by saying "I like you too, you're different".
When we arrived at her house, she stood at an awkward angle where my bike was almost in between us. She again asked if we could spar next week on Monday as well. I made a little joke saying she was trying to reserve me for the rest of the year. No real response (she never really laughs at my jokes). She looked at me and I leaned in to kiss her (maybe too awkward, with too much space between us? Maybe try to pull her into me next time and/or look at her lips first to see if she's up for it).
She offered me the cheek but still she had a big smile on her face. I'm not sure I handled that right. First off, we were in her street and somebody might see us. Second, the moment maybe wasn't right. Next time I might ask her "why don't you show me some of your clothes" (she makes those) or "aren't you going to offer me a drink, I've come all this way". Better yet, I should prepare better and ask her if there's anybody home. Likely her daughter and/or husband were home.
I already explained to her exactly where I live in the beginning of the conversation, but I could try next time to show her where I live (which makes sense now that she's shown me where she lives) and then invite her in and seal the deal.
NOTES:
- Qualifying is starting to slowly become a bit of a habit, but I need to work on it more.
- I like how I smoothly handled her guiding me to her house. This is good instinct. I still need to work on trying to get her to invite me in, without being pushy.
- I understand better what people mean when they say logistics are important: I should've first checked if she was home alone.
- I've been going for the kiss too soon as a sort of overcompensation for years of not making any move at all. This is starting to be a sticking point. Last woman I dated didn't want to kiss either, giving me the cheek every time. And my first ever instadate didn't want to kiss at all.
- I deep dived a bit (or better said, she deep dived herself) but I can work on doing this some more.
- I need to open up more myself. What should I talk about though?
- Did not make any sexual comments. So far she hasn't really shown any response when I did though. Except one time when I made a comment not directly to or about her.
- I did touch her plenty during our walk (as I've also been doing during training).
- I want to ask her what specifically she likes about me. Maybe wait until we're in bed together?
- I forgot to exchange phone numbers. Not crucial because I see her twice a week, but it might be nice for her to be able to order some takeout fuckboy if she's home alone.
Everyone, please, educate me! What did I do right & wrong?