LR  Terrible Date salvaged by Nympho Asian HB9

THE PRELUDE: Worst date of my life
The evening started well enough...had second date with HB7 lawyer who—though only ok in the looks department—was quite smart and seemed worth a shot for date 2.
Met her at a jazz bar on the premise of drinking Absinthe (they no longer sell it). The band was so-so, the service was terrible and the food was pretty good. The wine was ridiculously overpriced. I commented at all of that. She revealed herself as a crusader, waxing indignant whenever I said anything even mildly uncomplimentary about anything. I inquired about her previous career as a social worker (worked with families whose children were taken for foster care), and referred to them as 'broken homes'—that sent her off, apparently 'broken home' is not a politically or socially correct term to describe families separated in this way. (Who knew?) If she was much hotter I might have brushed it off and moved on to the next subject, (might NOT have, too!) but instead I pressed the point and asked what label should be given. Now, while 'broken' could simply be the adjective of reference, and does not necessarily mean dysfunction....in fact in most cases I suspect it really does mean dysfunctional.Anyway, she was deeply offended and we agreed to end the date. I paid (always a gentleman), she left the tip (30% for really lousy service!) and we shook hands goodbye. No biggie.

ACT TWO: Call from a friend
Went to my favorite sportsbar for a burger and a few beers. Got text message from "N" (Asian American HB9, 22 years old california girl, long straight black hair, perfect skin and teeth, tight little body, B cup breasts) whom I had met online and taken out once a couple weeks prior. Couldn't quite figure her out the first time...big walls thrown up, hard to break through. Seemed interested, but totally gives cold shoulder. She came round, we had a drink, then walked her to the corner. Tried to kiss her, tried to kiss her, tried to kiss her...manhandled her a bit—she broke and kissed me back passionately. Decided to walk her home ("bad neighborhood")...wouldn't let me come up.

Came home (nearby) got text message "oops, didn't mean to be rude, should have invited you up for a Cabernet?"
Banter back and forth, she says she's going to bed. I get in my car and drive over anyway, ring her from her lobby! (like a fucking boss, I may add!)
She buzzes me up. We end up chatting for 2 hours on the sofa...keep trying to make my move, keep getting rebuffed. Does not make any sense!
Doing some light kino, deep diving, etc etc. Kiss her neck a little but she won't let things proceed.
We chat about her work, family, everything. I'm bored stiff. Every time I try to kiss her she pulls away.
I decide enough is enough, this girl just wants to talk.

ACT 3: Here's where it gets weird:
It's 3 am and I am really working hard to escalate now.
She points out our age difference (I'm 42, she's 22) and asks me how I feel about it.
I say 'I dont think about it, I'm comfortable with it." (true—I've been around the block with Asian girls/daddy complexes plenty of times before)
She openly expresses DISAPPOINTMENT!
I backpedal...tell her how hot she is. Nope, not what she's looking for.
FINALLY—she comes out with it. She's a Submissive and wants to be dominated!

ACT 4: Fucking
AH-HA!!!
Finally, I understand EVERYTHING!
Say no more...
I grab her hands and pin them behind her head, start kissing her neck and feeling up her breasts, climb on top of her and make out with her for a while, put my knee in her crotch...she's moaning and kissing me back now.

I lift her up and take her to bedroom. Pull of her shirt and throw her down on the bed.
She starts talking dirty...she wants me to cum on her face, she wants me to fuck her hard, she wants me to teach her things she does not know, etc...
I reciprocate, tell her I'm going to fuck the shit out of her, etc.
She says she's on her period (but no tampon or pad, and it's clear that she's not...)
We Make out some more, I start fingering her and eating her out.
Normally I prefer to bring her to climax this way before penetrating, but she asks me to fuck her.
It's past 3:30 am now and I don't give a fuck, so I take off my pants, strap on a condom and proceed.

ACT 5: The disappointment:
Now it gets weird again....
It's nearly 4am, Ive been drinking since 8.
I am hard, but not "super hard"...let's call it 70%.
She starts complaining and slowing down!
I'm not sure if it's really a problem, if this is part of her submissive scheme, if she's shit testing me or WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!
I never met any psycho chick like this before!!!
I fuck her missionary, doggy style, side saddle, and she's right...it's only 70% and it's not getting better.
She's disappointed, but I don't know if this is an act to get me to be more dominant, or if she's talking real.
I wisely brought a small bottle of KY and start putting on outside the condom.
She says "You're an old man, that's why you need that stuff."
She keeps saying she wants to go to sleep and I should leave.
But when I go to kiss her or finger her, she's totally into it.
At one point she says "I want you to come on my face!" again.
Then she goes back to "you really should leave, I mean it." etc and slowing down/pushing me away.
Fucking confused as shit!
Finally after repeatedly trying to fuck her some more, finger her, kiss her, etc. I decide she really does want me to leave.

She says "I definitely want to fuck you next time, I'm a nymphomaniac."
We make some loose plans and I leave.
I get home and realize I left my jacket and necklace there.

CHASE, FRANCO, CHARMING, ALL YOU BOYS....I NEED THE BIG GUNS ON THIS ONE.
I THINK I STRUCK FUCKING PAY DIRT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS PSYCHO NYMPHO HOTNESS!!!!!
I think her insult/don't give a fuck attitude is just part of the act. She's testing me so I will get more and more dominant.
But where do you draw the line?
What does this kind of chick want?

ANYWAY...MY WEIRDEST LAY REPORT TO DATE. Terrible evening salvaged by psycho nympho! Olé!

Re: Terrible Date salvaged by Nympho Asian HB9

Amazing LR. This is why I stopped drinking lately. I drink Pom Pomegranate juice on a day I think I'll get laid, eat healthy and try to excersize. It's so shitty when you're hella turned on and you can't get it done. Next time ensure you're completely prepared, no sex for a few days and run that shit. Tell her she is going to get ravished!

Re: Terrible Date salvaged by Nympho Asian HB9

well...

A. I was not expecting to get laid
B. I had no idea she was going to ring me
C. I still could have done the job quite adequately for 3:30 am, at 70%

but good advice in general, —why pomegranate juice, by the way?

Re: Terrible Date salvaged by Nympho Asian HB9

I had the same issue with a girl last week? where I ran into her at a club and she wanted to take me home. Same thing wasn't expecting sex and I had sex with two girls in the past two days like 5 times total I think?

Anyhow same problem and I did some research, found that pomegranate naturally enhances sex drive. It has similar effects as Viagra, which I can't say it does or doesn't, but I definitely have only been 100% lately for around an hour. Note I have also done other things, like no porn and cut off my main FB.

Google "pomegranate sex" tons of articles on it.

Landlord-

These girls can be a lot of fun, actually. They're excellent training grounds on how to be extremely dominant - definitely worth seeing again and getting your domination on.

Here's how this works:

Landlord said:

She starts complaining and slowing down!
I'm not sure if it's really a problem, if this is part of her submissive scheme, if she's shit testing me or WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!
I never met any psycho chick like this before!!!

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She wants to be dominated. You need to say, "Shut the fuck up, you little slut. Did I fucking say you could speak? Did I tell you you could open your fucking little trap? The only time you open that hole is when I'm going to stick my cock in there, you got it?"

This may sound kinky/crazy to you, but for whatever reason she enjoys this. In my experience, these are usually girls who had very stern fathers who combination ignored them / beat them when they were bad. Not abusive fathers, just overbearing ones.

The psychology behind it is, she's so used to having to go around and act masculine and lead and ball-bust with everyone she meets, she really just wants a man who can tell her what to do, tell her to shut up, FORCE her to stop trying to be "the man," and instead completely submit and have you just DO things to her and she can enjoy it.

She wants to stick her head up and have you smack her back down.

Landlord said:

She's disappointed, but I don't know if this is an act to get me to be more dominant, or if she's talking real.

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It's usually real disappointment that you're not dominating her enough, but it's also an easy chance for you to dominate. As soon as you shut this down, she gets very excited again.

You can grab her hair - grab a big clump of it and yank it back HARD.

You can slap her - slap her face, slap her tits, slap her ass, slap her pussy.

You can choke her a little bit - although be careful about that one... it's rare, but there are choking deaths every year from people who get a little overzealous (choking restricts the blood supply to the brain and adds a euphoric rush in that amplifies sexual pleasure and climaxes, but some people take it too far on occasion).

You can bite her - the harder the better, but try not to draw blood.

You can compare her to other women you've been with - "You don't get to talk. I fucked a girl twice as hot as you 2 weeks ago, with a way better body. That girl could talk to me. You can't talk to me. All you get to do is take my cock and love it, you filthy whore."

Landlord said:

I wisely brought a small bottle of KY and start putting on outside the condom.
She says "You're an old man, that's why you need that stuff."

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"You're an ugly dirty whore, that's why I need this stuff. If you were prettier, I wouldn't need it. Now shut up and take it."

Landlord said:

She keeps saying she wants to go to sleep and I should leave.
But when I go to kiss her or finger her, she's totally into it.

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"You don't get to go to sleep until I've had enough of your dirty little whore pussy. I'll tell you when you can sleep - I don't want to hear about it from you."

IF she doesn't get into and get excited, and she stays serious and says, "No, really, I'm actually serious now - you should go," that's your cue she's for real. But if she gets more turned on and into it and shuts up when you dirty talk her and dominate her, then you know what she really wants.

Landlord said:

I THINK I STRUCK FUCKING PAY DIRT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS PSYCHO NYMPHO HOTNESS!!!!!
I think her insult/don't give a fuck attitude is just part of the act. She's testing me so I will get more and more dominant.
But where do you draw the line?
What does this kind of chick want?

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She wants a new father figure... these girls usually go for older men, too. I had a girlfriend similar to this who'd been chasing down a 40-year old guy before she met me. I was not her type; she wasn't even all that interested in me. I was surprised I landed her at the time; I detected zero sexual interest from her to me (and she later told me, without me telling her I felt that way, that she had zero sexual interest in me until I took off my shirt and she thought my body was good). There was a lot of drama and rebellion from her early on, and she kept trying to dominate me in the relationship, only to end up further dominated (every time you try to dominate and fail, you fall further down the hole into submission).

These girls are cool, but you'd better hope you never have a moment of weakness around them. You won't get any breaks if you get sick or go through a rough patch in life or anything like that... they want an uber-dominant man who can dominant them at a moment's notice, 24/7. You don't have to be He-Man constantly, but if she finds a chink in your armor she'll attack it mercilessly until you either dominate her back into submission or you break and she loses all respect for you.

All in all, highly educational, and a lot of fun, if you're looking to have a girl toughen you up and teach you how to really dominate in a relationship and in the bedroom. But don't expect an easy ride...

Chase

Chase, WOW man---I think you nailed it.
I did not do all those things, unfortunately.

Yesterday she started texting me that I should get my jacket I left there —"How soon can you pick it up?"
I'm thinking "it's on." But she was really insistent that I park downstairs and she come down.
I'm thinking "car sex" but we just talked a bit—
she said she felt really uncomfortable after because she brought me home to her house when she didn't know me...
anything could have happened. I didn't ask, but maybe it had something to do with the big-ass knife I keep in my jacket pocket for protection.

On a positive note, I was totally casual about everything like I didn't give a fuck if she wanted to see me again or not.
On the other hand, I was not anything of the awesome dominant monster you described...i was quite gentle talking to her actually. I did text her after and say "I still want to rape you though." Which got a good response.

Anyway if it works out that I see her again, I can't wait to try those things!
If not, well—live and learn.

Thanks for weighing in Chase—Can I have your cell phone for next time? ;>)

Chase said:

Landlord-

These girls can be a lot of fun, actually. They're excellent training grounds on how to be extremely dominant - definitely worth seeing again and getting your domination on.

Here's how this works:

Landlord said:

She starts complaining and slowing down!
I'm not sure if it's really a problem, if this is part of her submissive scheme, if she's shit testing me or WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!
I never met any psycho chick like this before!!!

Click to expand...

She wants to be dominated. You need to say, "Shut the fuck up, you little slut. Did I fucking say you could speak? Did I tell you you could open your fucking little trap? The only time you open that hole is when I'm going to stick my cock in there, you got it?"

This may sound kinky/crazy to you, but for whatever reason she enjoys this. In my experience, these are usually girls who had very stern fathers who combination ignored them / beat them when they were bad. Not abusive fathers, just overbearing ones.

The psychology behind it is, she's so used to having to go around and act masculine and lead and ball-bust with everyone she meets, she really just wants a man who can tell her what to do, tell her to shut up, FORCE her to stop trying to be "the man," and instead completely submit and have you just DO things to her and she can enjoy it.

She wants to stick her head up and have you smack her back down.

Landlord said:

She's disappointed, but I don't know if this is an act to get me to be more dominant, or if she's talking real.

Click to expand...

It's usually real disappointment that you're not dominating her enough, but it's also an easy chance for you to dominate. As soon as you shut this down, she gets very excited again.

You can grab her hair - grab a big clump of it and yank it back HARD.

You can slap her - slap her face, slap her tits, slap her ass, slap her pussy.

You can choke her a little bit - although be careful about that one... it's rare, but there are choking deaths every year from people who get a little overzealous (choking restricts the blood supply to the brain and adds a euphoric rush in that amplifies sexual pleasure and climaxes, but some people take it too far on occasion).

You can bite her - the harder the better, but try not to draw blood.

You can compare her to other women you've been with - "You don't get to talk. I fucked a girl twice as hot as you 2 weeks ago, with a way better body. That girl could talk to me. You can't talk to me. All you get to do is take my cock and love it, you filthy whore."

Landlord said:

I wisely brought a small bottle of KY and start putting on outside the condom.
She says "You're an old man, that's why you need that stuff."

Click to expand...

"You're an ugly dirty whore, that's why I need this stuff. If you were prettier, I wouldn't need it. Now shut up and take it."

Landlord said:

She keeps saying she wants to go to sleep and I should leave.
But when I go to kiss her or finger her, she's totally into it.

Click to expand...

"You don't get to go to sleep until I've had enough of your dirty little whore pussy. I'll tell you when you can sleep - I don't want to hear about it from you."

IF she doesn't get into and get excited, and she stays serious and says, "No, really, I'm actually serious now - you should go," that's your cue she's for real. But if she gets more turned on and into it and shuts up when you dirty talk her and dominate her, then you know what she really wants.

Landlord said:

I THINK I STRUCK FUCKING PAY DIRT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS PSYCHO NYMPHO HOTNESS!!!!!
I think her insult/don't give a fuck attitude is just part of the act. She's testing me so I will get more and more dominant.
But where do you draw the line?
What does this kind of chick want?

Click to expand...

She wants a new father figure... these girls usually go for older men, too. I had a girlfriend similar to this who'd been chasing down a 40-year old guy before she met me. I was not her type; she wasn't even all that interested in me. I was surprised I landed her at the time; I detected zero sexual interest from her to me (and she later told me, without me telling her I felt that way, that she had zero sexual interest in me until I took off my shirt and she thought my body was good). There was a lot of drama and rebellion from her early on, and she kept trying to dominate me in the relationship, only to end up further dominated (every time you try to dominate and fail, you fall further down the hole into submission).

These girls are cool, but you'd better hope you never have a moment of weakness around them. You won't get any breaks if you get sick or go through a rough patch in life or anything like that... they want an uber-dominant man who can dominant them at a moment's notice, 24/7. You don't have to be He-Man constantly, but if she finds a chink in your armor she'll attack it mercilessly until you either dominate her back into submission or you break and she loses all respect for you.

All in all, highly educational, and a lot of fun, if you're looking to have a girl toughen you up and teach you how to really dominate in a relationship and in the bedroom. But don't expect an easy ride...

Chase

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Hey Chase, I was just looking for some clarification about how to handle girls who were abused and girls who were beat up when they were bad. I've had experience with girls who have been abused by their fathers and a lot of what you said rings true. One of the first dates I had with a girl from such a background, said I didn't have the balls to throw her in the ocean on a cold autumn night at the beach. Well, I gave her a full "baptism" with all her clothes, make up and hair done up, all while laughing my butt off. Needless to say, it made her wet in more ways than one. However, despite having very masculine qualities, she was also very sensitive and insecure about her appearance. It was a very tricky situation - too dominant and I was accused of being like her abusive dad, and if I was more accommodating her attraction was weaker.

I guess this is why Richardus recommends finding girls with stable family lives and good relationships with their fathers when screening girls for the long term.

@ Landlord-

Landlord said:

Yesterday she started texting me that I should get my jacket I left there —"How soon can you pick it up?"
I'm thinking "it's on." But she was really insistent that I park downstairs and she come down.
I'm thinking "car sex" but we just talked a bit—
she said she felt really uncomfortable after because she brought me home to her house when she didn't know me...
anything could have happened. I didn't ask, but maybe it had something to do with the big-ass knife I keep in my jacket pocket for protection.

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That can happen if she starts getting buyer's remorse for whatever reason. Anytime people start rushing you, it's usually a bad sign, not a good one. A good sign would be, "I have your jacket - you can come over and get it whenever you want."

On the flip side, it could just be that she has a man and didn't want him finding it at her place, and has nothing really to do with you.

@ ProblemSolving-

ProblemSolving said:

Hey Chase, I was just looking for some clarification about how to handle girls who were abused and girls who were beat up when they were bad. I've had experience with girls who have been abused by their fathers and a lot of what you said rings true. One of the first dates I had with a girl from such a background, said I didn't have the balls to throw her in the ocean on a cold autumn night at the beach. Well, I gave her a full "baptism" with all her clothes, make up and hair done up, all while laughing my butt off. Needless to say, it made her wet in more ways than one. However, despite having very masculine qualities, she was also very sensitive and insecure about her appearance. It was a very tricky situation - too dominant and I was accused of being like her abusive dad, and if I was more accommodating her attraction was weaker.

I guess this is why Richardus recommends finding girls with stable family lives and good relationships with their fathers when screening girls for the long term.

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Finding the right line to walk with individual girls can be tricky. I usually prefer to just not doing anything egregiously crazy, and instead let her prompt me to and simply react to whatever she gives me.

So, like, with a girl like Landlord's where she's really insulting you and attacking you verbally, you know she wants to be manhandled and told that she's worthless and slapped around a little bit. But you'll get other girls who will ask you in a sweeter way to be rougher with them during sex or use dirty talk or whatnot, and you don't want to go as far as you would with a girl who's egging you on for more.

Generally, yeah, you want to avoid girls with problem backgrounds (whether that's family upbringing, a trauma / rape situation at some point, horrible ex-boyfriends, etc.)... they're a mess. A lot of them end up deciding they don't "deserve something good" and will destroy any good relationships they find themselves in (like one with you).

A person's family upbringing is generally predictive of how they'll play out a relationship eventually and what they'll look for in a mate. People who come from homes where both the parents are still together and happy will generally have those sorts of relationships, and people who come from split/divorced homes will frequently split at some point, and people who come from broken homes with drama and abuse and neglect and other such will generally bring that to their relationships too. Some rise above it, but it's hard, takes a lot of conscious work, and many of them regress back into it again anyway.

It's much easier to screen for this and filter women out who don't meet your criteria before you have any emotions for them than it is later into getting to know them and investing a good deal in them, so always good form to do this as part of your screening process, and to give girls who don't make the cut a hard screen out of the girlfriend role to make sure you don't end up in a situation later where you're emotional stuck on the wrong kind of girl.

Chase

I must say I do not usually read LRs at the moment but I came here via the post in Tactics, the Asian and the little tits also got my interest up a bit.

I believe that the whole art to domination is to pro-act and not react. If she begs you to be called a slut and you call her a slut then that just looks a bit weak.

What you do instead is plan out the whole encounter from start to finish and make sure you have the appropriate props handy. In my opinion a proper domination is going to require some ass-play or at least something that takes her out of her comfort zone, and that she will resist strongly, you then need to plan how to introduce it in such a way that it is not too sudden.

Let me say also that domination is hard work. The main reason why women like it is because they want the attention. So suppose I set myself up to dominate my girlfriend properly over the long term. Well this is going to involve (1) deciding what she does each minute of the day, (2) deciding what she wears, including her makeup and so on, (3) deciding what she says, how she addresses me and others, etc (4) deciding who she will fuck, so I have to find suitable people, (5) deciding how much reward I will give for certain activities, for instance she may be allowed to be fucked by me once per week but only on Sundays and only if she has followed all of my orders for the entire week, (6) think of suitably demeaning activities for her, such as that she has to sleep on the floor at the foot of my bed, she has to lick my asshole, she has to watch me fuck other women, and so forth, (7) checking up on her at specific times and making sure she is punished if she is not doing the allotted activity, (8) deciding what she is interested in, and setting her tasks such as reading a specific book or writing a report or some such, (9) planning which of her holes I am going to violate on a specific day and how I am going to make sure this happens despite resistance, (10) ordering and maintaining various props, etc etc... if you think it about it, dominating a girl is actually a full time job and this is the reason I don't do it comprehensively at present, I am too busy with my other work.

So what I would suggest for this girl if she agrees to another date is (1) give her the safe word to use, although you know she won't, this is important to protect yourself legally, (2) possibly some tying up and the orgasm torture... get her excited with a vibrator while her hands are tied and she can't stimulate herself, then suddenly stop when she is nearly there, then put your cock in her mouth and various things like that, you can also try some clothes pegs on her nipples or maybe ice cubes instead... and when she begs you for this or that, tell her she must address you as Master and make her beg, for instance "Master, may I please suck on your honourable cock"... slap her until she gets it word perfect. Or (3) as a completely alternate scenario you could try some spankings and make up some completely fictional story about what she did to deserve the spankings... she disrespected you in some way, she acted like a slut in some way, etc etc. Make it a good story and make her confess to the thing and ask to be punished, as it is for her own good. She may resist the spankings. Then once you've got the spankings done, pull out some rubber gloves and lube and proceed to violate her asshole. Once that is done, give her an enema of 1L (this is a small enema, as she is inexperienced) and force her to hold it in for 20 minutes before you allow her to go to the toilet. Then, inspect her poo and tell her it is dirty and very disgusting, and give her another enema for a shorter time this time. After that, you're ready to fuck her in the ass. Note the long buildup to this, which she would have rejected if you had tried it right off the bat.

Another thing to keep in mind is a lot that's been written about compliance on this site, go read the main articles about how to build up compliance and give orders. Voice tone can be important in the initial stages when you're not as sure she'll accept your orders, and always be ready to rotate back down to compliance requests. This may be less important if she's already expressed a desire to be dominated, but you'll need compliance for smaller things such as getting her into your apartment.

cheers, Ray

Edit: Just noticed another thing up there that is very relevant. Guys often feel a pressure to perform, although this is totally unreasonable from a biological perspective since you don't go from 0 to 100 km/h in seconds. If you are as you said at 70% and you feel the pressure to perform, then the right thing to do is to take back the control so that you are setting the pace. When I feel the control shift to me I immediately feel a boost in my cock: 70% to 90%... this is simply because I no longer feel the pressure, since I am the one making the decisions as to what will happen when. If I'm not ready then I will make her do something else for a bit.