Your 20s are the peak years, it's all downhill after that.

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I've long heard the saying across the web that men peak later in life and hit their peak in their 30s while women hit theirs earlier, now I am convinced that this is a lie being told to young men or at it's best an incomplete truth.

It makes no sense either.

At one end these are supposed to be the "peak years" but on the other, the guys sleeping around and hooking up with the hottest girls out there? Usually also in their 20s and around their age group. You do not see that many, if any, guys over the age of 30 truly slaying. Now they'll claim it is because they are "over it" or find that an LTR is better for them, that they cannot do it because they don't want to. I'll debate that older guys could not do it even if they did want to for a variety of reasons.

Energy and health.

You can party all day in your 20s and not feel a thing, try doing that after 30 and see how bad of a hangover comes up. Things like hangovers, health issues, aches, and a variety of other problems come up. Erectile dysfunction is another thing given that you just don't have the energy you had when you were in your 20s, you need viagra at this point most likely. Most men do not hit their physical peak in their 30s, their physical peak is at some point in their early to mid 20s. These are the years men can travel and do crazy shit yet easily recover from it as well.

Social acceptance.

Women care and girls care too, especially younger attractive women.

No matter how you spin it, it is not acceptable for a 30+ year old guy to be dating a hot girl in her 20s. Chances are, especially if she is in America, she is going to have her social circle who will likely migrate with her from her college days. Her weekends are going to be spent with her nagging friends from her college days chasing the same guys they knew back then or guys who fit that archetype.

The 20-something guy who kind of has his shit together always beats the well established guy in his 30s, why? It is because of the age gap acceptance. Women will sacrifice pretty much everything for social acceptance, age being a huge issue as their friends are going to be judgmental prudes.

There is not a country in the world where it is socially acceptable for an older guy to be a bachelor that goes around pumping and dumping, the USA is definitely not it.

Mindset, older usually means a lot more bitter.

Just talk to older guys, they are bitter as fuck. Most older guys have mentally given up, they are miserable. Younger age means youth and youth is defined by aspirations, ambitions, hunger, and the will to go after things. Older age is defined by stability, staying put, and giving up on dreams and aspirations. Talk to older guys about being a player, they are stubborn and will not put the work in. On top of this, they will also try to sabotage you from doing well and pull you into the LTR and marriage hell, in other words a death sentence.

The mind becomes more rigid and the saying you cannot teach an old dog new tricks is as relevant as ever.

There is a reason why even in the corporate world, managers refuse to hire older guys into anything but senior C-level or leadership positions. Older guys "know better", are not opening to learning new things, and will rarely if ever pursue the player dream. In many ways they cannot help it, it is all due to old age, you just give up and throw in the towel as your dreams die and you turn to ruining that of others.

So live it up.

If you are in your 20s, live it up.

Try your hardest.

Try really fucking hard.

Throw it all on the table.

Once 30 hits, it is fucking over.
 

naturalmikey

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i'm 37 and it's never been easier. i get approached far more than before. the competition sucks. most guys my age are married, overweight, and bald. if you're in shape, have a full head of hair, and have always been handsome your late thirties is definitely your prime. that's just not the case for most guys. so in a way you're right.
 

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Lol I'm over 30 at the moment too and just like Mike says: it has never been easier. I attract young girls easily, maybe because you automatically view them as silly and cute because of life experiences? Who knows.

I do however agree that most guys peak between their 20's and 25's. But this is due to bad lifestyle habits and poor maintanence! Start earing clean, buy good clothes, train intensively (don't ignore cardio as many meatheads do) and you already have a nice edge on lots of competition.

If anything else, an excellent shape when aging can be seen as cue for superior genetics.

But again: it's mainly maintanence.
 

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Oh Pry-

By your various topics, and I remember disagreeing you at length on what I would consider your limiting views on social media, I imagine you as the tough guy. :)

I'm with Mikey and Sub-Zero on this one.
 

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Oh Pry, are you following the path of our good friend Toby with his "life sucks after 30"?

For me, life certainly don't suck. I just turned 50 a couple weeks ago and I can say that I have never been so empowered in my life. And certainly more now than when I was 28 years old. So I wouldn't trade places today with my 28 years old self.

Now they'll claim it is because they are "over it" or find that an LTR is better for them, that they cannot do it because they don't want to. I'll debate that older guys could not do it even if they did want to for a variety of reasons.
Yeah, around 85% of men don't know how to consistently get girls, and will prefer to settle asap to have this part of this life handled. This is true. It's part of why we should try to educate other men on the topic of seduction.

But even as a seducer, you need to understand that at some point that the "slay, rinse , repeat" lifestyle can become repetitive and feel a little empty. It is a natural desire at some point to seek something else, such as having children. Children are a source of happiness in this world. You may not feel this way now, but it could come later. Or, it may not be up to you, when you realize that the girl you like will leave you and get kids from another if you don't put up. Or, you may only find out that you love kids once you have some.

Energy and health.
You can party all day in your 20s and not feel a thing, try doing that after 30 and see how bad of a hangover comes up. Things like hangovers, health issues, aches, and a variety of other problems come up. Erectile dysfunction is another thing given that you just don't have the energy you had when you were in your 20s, you need viagra at this point most likely. Most men do not hit their physical peak in their 30s, their physical peak is at some point in their early to mid 20s. These are the years men can travel and do crazy shit yet easily recover from it as well.

Yeah sure, I do not recover as good as when I was in my twenties. I can't party every night and still be fresh the next day at my office. But that's it. For the rest, I am in a better shape than I have ever been in the last 25 years. In public escalators, I'm usually the one climbing stairs two by two when all the twenty somethings are just lazy to move ass. At the gym, I recently lifted 133 kg off the floor for five reps.

And I have no problem with erectile dysfunction, thank you very much. When I see the recurring ED issues described in these Boards, I think that my generation is probably in a better position than yours to be honest. We were lucky not to grow up around free Internet porn.

The 20-something guy who kind of has his shit together always beats the well established guy in his 30s, why? It is because of the age gap acceptance. Women will sacrifice pretty much everything for social acceptance, age being a huge issue as their friends are going to be judgmental prudes.
I can't speak for the USA since I've been a large part of my life in Middle East / Asia. The last ten women I put in my bed were respectively 26, 22, 28, 21, 23, 28, 29, 27, 24 and 24 years old. It's not lacking 20 somethings ready to sleep with a man over 20 years older. Why? Because we have our life under control. We are on top of things - more than in our twenties anyway. They certainly dig that.

Did I ever feel a social pressure due to age gap? Nope. True, I've learned how to be discreet about my seductions. But whenever I was out on dates, I never felt like being frowned upon.

Obviously, I don't mix my girls with my social network. But why would you do that? Why would you go around and showcase yourself with a younger girl? Need to show off? A little immature!

There is not a country in the world where it is socially acceptable for an older guy to be a bachelor that goes around pumping and dumping, the USA is definitely not it.
Here there is a bigger stigma than just age gap. The majority of people just won't understand your rotations and first date sex. The majority is still in the "mainstream" dating Hollywood way. 90% of people won't understand, and will judge you. It is not socially acceptable to go around pumping and dumping, no matter your age or your country, period. See all the reports of false rape accusations that have been posted on these Boards.

It is not a matter of age. You better learn to be discreet as well.

Just talk to older guys, they are bitter as fuck. Most older guys have mentally given up, they are miserable. Younger age means youth and youth is defined by aspirations, ambitions, hunger, and the will to go after things. Older age is defined by stability, staying put, and giving up on dreams and aspirations.
You do have a point here. The bottom line is, many older people just give up on themselves. As soon as they get in a little bit of comfort, they settle and stop trying to improve their lives. I have seen it all around me. Throw in a difficult divorce, and you have the ingredients for bitterness.

Talk to older guys about being a player, they are stubborn and will not put the work in. On top of this, they will also try to sabotage you from doing well and pull you into the LTR and marriage hell, in other words a death sentence.
On behalf of all the older guys you proved you wrong on these Boards, I say thank you. But again, it is not a matter of age. Most guys won't put in the work. Most guys simply won't understand your player lifestyle. No matter their age.

I don't deny the truth in what you say, but I just want to add that it doesn't have to be this way.

But that, and all what you describe here does not have to be this way. There are a few life pitfalls to avoid:
  • settling in comfort and easiness and complacency. This is when you reach a certain level of comfort and stop making efforts towards improving even further. You end up stuck in your career, or in a bad relationship, or in your overweight, etc...
  • avoiding legal marriage. In the West at least, marriage has become a legal mess grossly biased against men. It's a recipe for disaster. You have to avoid it as much as you can. If you end up living with someone, always keep the option of being able to leave if you're no longer satisfied - that will keep her on her toes.
To me, complacency is the biggest of these pitfalls. When you think everything is so good that you can't improve on it anymore.

You can do more on your career. You can do more on your fundamentals. You can learn getting girls at age 45. You can lose your 20 kg excess weight. You can reclaim your health.

It is up to you to do it. The problem is when you start telling yourself you can't.

Seppuku
 

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To give the topic another quick take.
Oh Pry said:
Your 20s are the peak years, it's all downhill after that.
Said no one over 30. Go figure.
 

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granted my game is much tighter now. but i feel like i keep getting more desirable every year. honestly, i’m kinda over college age girls for anything more than sex. but they’re so free and fun. they love pleasing older men and are thrilled to have a guy who knows what he’s doing.
 

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OP,

Seems like you still have some mental hurdles to get over... ;)

I'm now 31, and both 30 and 31 were my two best years so far... and I don't see that stopping any time soon.

If anything, you've got it backwards: with the rise of "sugar daddies" and "sugar daddy game," younger women are going to be dating/fucking even more older men than in the past. The catch? You'll rarely hear about it: many of these men will be cheating on their wives or girlfriends to do it. So these women will be keeping it hush-hush unless they can steal the man from their wives/girlfriends.

Young women definitely desire older (age 35-45) men. You'll see it if and when you get there!

Cheers,

Franco
 

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Franco said:
OP,

Seems like you still have some mental hurdles to get over... ;)

I'm now 31, and both 30 and 31 were my two best years so far... and I don't see that stopping any time soon.

If anything, you've got it backwards: with the rise of "sugar daddies" and "sugar daddy game," younger women are going to be dating/fucking even more older men than in the past. The catch? You'll rarely hear about it: many of these men will be cheating on their wives or girlfriends to do it. So these women will be keeping it hush-hush unless they can steal the man from their wives/girlfriends.

Young women definitely desire older (age 35-45) men. You'll see it if and when you get there!

Cheers,

Franco

Im a little confused, don’t sugar daddies pay for pussy?

How does that help older men that don’t want to pay for pussy?

I’m assuming you mean that girls want sugar daddies, but they also want older men to date as well.

But when I see sugar daddies, it just seems that you’re nothing but a wallet to them.

Please clarify?
 
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