Am I cursed or just a dumbass?

Poli

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I have approached literally 2,000+ girls and Ive gotten alot of numbers at least 200 and probably closer to 300. I have had 0 true lays. I have increased my fundamentals so much better every year and I have spent thousands of dollars self improving my self in general and taken a course of getting girls from one of the best puas in the world. I got the process and I got the steps mapped out on what to do literally step by step from hello to getting into the bedroom but it just seems like something is missing like I'm missing a puzzle peace but I don't know where Im screwing up somedays I feel literally like I'm doomed to never get a true lay I may actually be cursed. Should I just throw in the towel? I'm not looking for pity here and I am willing to accept defeat and bow to life crushing rules if I have to but I would like to ask you guys where do I go from here?

BTW I say no true lays because Ive just been getting a hooker like once a week or every other week so technically I'm still a virgin ? LOL
 

ElderPrice

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Sounds like you're familiar with all the material out there. So you've therefore heard of Outer Game vs. Inner Game, correct? I'm no expert, but in my opinion your post SCREAMS that odds are you've got the outer game down, but are quite lacking in inner game. You MUST get those negative thoughts cleared up. I recommend reading up on the idea of Giving Value vs. Taking Value. You sound like you live in the Taking realm, as in you have a hole in your soul and you're trying to go out into the world to take or consume women to heal you. This isn't right. When's the last time you went out SOLELY to make others days better? Girls and guys. When's the last time you went out not to satisfy your need to get laid, but to GIVE other people positive experiences without looking for ANYTHING in return?

Try the Giving approach for a month. I think you'll be surprised. I know I was when I first discovered that flaw in my mindset...
 

ray_zorse

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Great advice from EP. I also think it might be good to give up the hookers for a bit. Nothing against the world's oldest and most honourable profession. Hookers provide a valuable public service that I believe is underappreciated. Then again -- so do doctors and nurses, but I think we would all agree it is preferable not to have to seek out their services. While I cannot speak from experience I would imagine that using hookers is something like using porn, and a good deal of experience with porn addiction tells me that it takes the edge off your aggressiveness and also distorts your worldview, making it uncomfortable and strange to interact with real live women.

Sometimes there is also a missing ingredient that is hard to diagnose remotely. Posting detailed FRs might help. But as you have had in-person coaching I would think your coaches would have picked up on any wrong vibes you were sending out. If there is still a wrong vibe it is likely to be to do with your eye contact or conversation. It is difficult to fake these things and takes a lot of practice to get right. You need to never be submissive, and that is tough for those such as myself who have struggled with inner game issues. In conversation you also have to be interested and engaged, and that only works when the other person genuinely does interest you on more than a superficial "want to fuck her" level. I suggest some of Chase's conversation resources.

cheers, Ray
 

Poli

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ElderPrice said:
Sounds like you're familiar with all the material out there. So you've therefore heard of Outer Game vs. Inner Game, correct? I'm no expert, but in my opinion your post SCREAMS that odds are you've got the outer game down, but are quite lacking in inner game. You MUST get those negative thoughts cleared up. I recommend reading up on the idea of Giving Value vs. Taking Value. You sound like you live in the Taking realm, as in you have a hole in your soul and you're trying to go out into the world to take or consume women to heal you. This isn't right. When's the last time you went out SOLELY to make others days better? Girls and guys. When's the last time you went out not to satisfy your need to get laid, but to GIVE other people positive experiences without looking for ANYTHING in return?

Try the Giving approach for a month. I think you'll be surprised. I know I was when I first discovered that flaw in my mindset...

This is really good advice, highly appreciated and I did finally sleep with a girl after like 8 hours of the interaction. it became natural and effortless because I was into her and she was into me. I am really running with the value giving mentality it's working wonders since ive used it. Thanks very much for the advice.
 

Poli

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ray_zorse said:
Great advice from EP. I also think it might be good to give up the hookers for a bit. Nothing against the world's oldest and most honourable profession. Hookers provide a valuable public service that I believe is underappreciated. Then again -- so do doctors and nurses, but I think we would all agree it is preferable not to have to seek out their services. While I cannot speak from experience I would imagine that using hookers is something like using porn, and a good deal of experience with porn addiction tells me that it takes the edge off your aggressiveness and also distorts your worldview, making it uncomfortable and strange to interact with real live women.

Sometimes there is also a missing ingredient that is hard to diagnose remotely. Posting detailed FRs might help. But as you have had in-person coaching I would think your coaches would have picked up on any wrong vibes you were sending out. If there is still a wrong vibe it is likely to be to do with your eye contact or conversation. It is difficult to fake these things and takes a lot of practice to get right. You need to never be submissive, and that is tough for those such as myself who have struggled with inner game issues. In conversation you also have to be interested and engaged, and that only works when the other person genuinely does interest you on more than a superficial "want to fuck her" level. I suggest some of Chase's conversation resources.

cheers, Ray

You really hit it spot on bro, this exactly what ive done and life has taken a 180 turn in the right direction. of course now I have higher quality problems but life is getting better and better. Really appreciate the feedback and hope things are going great for you.
 

ElderPrice

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Poli said:
ElderPrice said:
Sounds like you're familiar with all the material out there. So you've therefore heard of Outer Game vs. Inner Game, correct? I'm no expert, but in my opinion your post SCREAMS that odds are you've got the outer game down, but are quite lacking in inner game. You MUST get those negative thoughts cleared up. I recommend reading up on the idea of Giving Value vs. Taking Value. You sound like you live in the Taking realm, as in you have a hole in your soul and you're trying to go out into the world to take or consume women to heal you. This isn't right. When's the last time you went out SOLELY to make others days better? Girls and guys. When's the last time you went out not to satisfy your need to get laid, but to GIVE other people positive experiences without looking for ANYTHING in return?

Try the Giving approach for a month. I think you'll be surprised. I know I was when I first discovered that flaw in my mindset...

This is really good advice, highly appreciated and I did finally sleep with a girl after like 8 hours of the interaction. it became natural and effortless because I was into her and she was into me. I am really running with the value giving mentality it's working wonders since ive used it. Thanks very much for the advice.
My pleasure! I'm glad I could help!
 
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