Casual/FWB  If SHE Gets Attached...Keeping Relationships Casual

Jay

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If you have had any sort of experience in the past with a girl you had sex multiple times with, but didn't enter a serious relationship with, you will have inevitably had to deal with attachment issues.

Assuming that the attached person is not you, this leaves the girl.

Now, there are countless examples of dudes who have had sex with a girl numerous times, she was cool to keep it like that, and then they parted ways with her amicably with no one getting hurt. This does happen, and I have a couple girls right now that I can call at pretty much any time of day any day of the week for sex (or in one of them's case, walk up the stairs to their room; I live in a dorm), but if your game is good enough to get the girl, and they legitimately enjoy fucking and spending time with you, with most girls attachment will eventually become an issue.

It is imperative to your psyche, stress levels, and reputation to handle when this happens well. This happened to one of my friends recently. He had sex with a very attractive girl about three times a week for a month or so, and she began assuming they were in a relationship, or would be soon enough, despite repeatedly telling him that she didn't expect anything but sex from him. Basically, she cockblocked the shit out of him one night, then freaked out like he had cheated on her (the circumstances made it seem he was rubbing it in her face, but my friend is clueless and was none the wiser). My friend was shitfaced and decided the best way to deal with this would be to call her a stupid ass jealous bitch, try and kick her out of the apartment where the party was being thrown, and then smash a potted plant on the balcony and storm downtown punching street signs when the apartment's owner wouldn't comply. My other friend and I almost ended up in a knock down drag out brawl with the apartment's residents over this, and I was pissed at this guy for awhile, but the real damage was done to his reputation with the group of girls who were friends with that girl. The girl's friend began spreading far and wide that my friend was a crazy fuck and treated girls like shit, and now a group of 16 or so pretty sexy girls won't even be seen at the same venue as him, and my friends and I had to work pretty damn hard to convince them to even speak to our group after that. This is bad for not only my friend, but also reflects badly on me and the rest of our boys for hanging with this guy.

Granted this is an extreme example of handling attachment and jealousy badly, my friend should have just told her he didn't realize he had hurt her and reminded her that because she had claimed the relationship was purely physical he could not have possibly had any idea she held out hope for anything more, and certainly had no right to embarrass him and herself by making a scene, but it serves the purpose of outlining the dangers of handling casual relationships well.

I believe the key to that is defining the purpose of the relationship early (Second time you have sex with her is ideal, 3rd at the latest. If you have sex with a girl on four separate occasions and don't make sure she knows you don't want anything more, she is going to think you are leading her on or assume that you want a relationship. Once that seed is planted, its pretty hard to unplant.)

Don't make the shit an immediate ultimatum, thats just fucking weird (picture standing up after having sex with her a third time and blurting out "I don't want a relationship with you, so if you're entertaining the idea get the fuck out") Instead, ask her gently what she wants from you. If her answer is sex, fun, or a good time, your good. If her answer is something along the lines of spending time with you...its a no go. In the latter is the case, you should still not pull out an ultimatum, because if she likes you enough this will encourage her to lie to you, believing that you will eventually 'come to your senses' and want to be with her and only her. However, make sure, firmly and seriously, that she knows you do not want any sort of monogamous relationship.

At this point she will do one of three things:
1. Say that she IS looking for a relationship, so the two of you should probably go your separate ways/be platonic friends (which is ok, this means you have dodged a bullet, and if you do want a relationship with her now you know she wants one too);
2. Say that she isn't looking for a relationship either, she is just looking for sex, and continue to have regular sex with you with no attachments (This is ideal, but not as likely as the third option, so it needs to be checked); or...
3. Say she isn't looking for a relationship either, she is just looking for sex (or say nothing, but make sure to make your statement firm enough that it would be weird for her to not reply), but brush your comment off as you not knowing what you really want, and continue to think of you as hers.

(Sidenote: She could also conceivably do something crazy such as break down crying or get real angry, especially if she is younger, I have had this happen to me before. If this happens, your best bet is to calm her down, get the fuck out as fast as possible, and forget about her. If a girl gets that emotional after 3 fucks, she is more than any dude should have to deal with.)

To make sure that number 2 is genuine and isn't really number 3, which has the potential to spin out of control into a situation similar to my friend's described above, you need to watch for warning signs that she still holds out hope for something more.

Warning signs:
-She talks about you to her friends a lot.
-She shows great interest in where you are at random times.
-She texts you or calls you "just to talk" (this one can be a grey area if you are friends as well as lovers, but friendship and sex never mix well outside of a relationship, so avoid that if possible)
-She shows unusual interest in what girls you talk to or what you did last time you went out.
-She shows signs of clinginess, like insisting you come over rather than do something else that is important.
-If she goes out to the same places you do, she doesn't seem to pay attention to any men but you.
-She invests more time in your attention than anyone else's in social situations.

If the girl exhibits any one of these, I would suggest weaning her off of you and ultimately getting out of the situation. Don't simply ignore the shit out of her or be harsh, because if a girl in this position feels she has been fucked over by you, she will quickly become an enemy. As they say, hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn; a bitch in that situation will do whatever she can to fuck you over right back. Instead, let her down gently. Tell her that you think the relationship is getting too serious, and that you should stop having sex, because you don't want to risk hurting her.

If that is too much for her to bear, and she still ends up hating you, that is her problem, because you handled it the best you could, and there isn't any possible way she could talk shit about the way you treated her (unless somewhere in there you decided to beat the shit out of her, but thats a totally different issue, and I'm assuming no one on here is a psychopath)

Thanks for reading,

Jay
 

trashKENNUT

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Hi Jay

Jay said:
s imperative to your psyche, stress levels, and reputation to handle when this happens well. This happened to one of my friends recently. He had sex with a very attractive girl about three times a week for a month or so, and she began assuming they were in a relationship, or would be soon enough, despite repeatedly telling him that she didn't expect anything but sex from him.

Basically having sex with a girl three times a week is seriously putting yourself under the knife. Most of the girls that get attached that i experience, much have i been contact more than three times a week. So that itself is trouble.

Jay said:
Warning signs:
-She talks about you to her friends a lot.
-She shows great interest in where you are at random times.
-She texts you or calls you "just to talk" (this one can be a grey area if you are friends as well as lovers, but friendship and sex never mix well outside of a relationship, so avoid that if possible)
-She shows unusual interest in what girls you talk to or what you did last time you went out.
-She shows signs of clinginess, like insisting you come over rather than do something else that is important.
-If she goes out to the same places you do, she doesn't seem to pay attention to any men but you.
-She invests more time in your attention than anyone else's in social situations.

Your warning signs are right. IT happens. Women get attached every now and then. So you have this contact rule that you will contact her once every ten days. You take one step. If she starts get attached too, take three steps back. Don't contact her for a month or two, or at best meet more other girls to fill in the week. :D which is what i am trying to do. LOL!

Zac
 

Jay

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Zac (or Adam? haha),

ZacAdam said:
Basically having sex with a girl three times a week is seriously putting yourself under the knife. Most of the girls that get attached that i experience, much have i been contact more than three times a week. So that itself is trouble.

Very true. I warned the guy multiple times, but he doesn't ever listen to me, his loss haha, though I have had girls who were able to fuck that much and not get attached, three times a week is too much for 90% of girls without getting attached.

ZacAdam said:
So you have this contact rule that you will contact her once every ten days. You take one step. If she starts get attached too, take three steps back. Don't contact her for a month or two, or at best meet more other girls to fill in the week.

Good shit. Thats what I meant by weaning her off of you, and that is a great general rule of contact if you're trying to keep a girl at distance. I do like to contact the same girl multiple times a week if I take a special liking to the way she fucks haha...but I pride myself on my ability to handle the push and pull of amount of contact required to avoid disasters like my friend's; its not something I would suggest risking to anyone.

Jay
 

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Hey Jay,

I believe the key to that is defining the purpose of the relationship early (Second time you have sex with her is ideal, 3rd at the latest. If you have sex with a girl on four separate occasions and don't make sure she knows you don't want anything more, she is going to think you are leading her on or assume that you want a relationship. Once that seed is planted, its pretty hard to unplant.)

When you actually get to a certain level of comfort with casual relationships, sometimes you can even forgo this step. But this also has to do with the girls you choose... I am getting better myself at finding women who are just completely comfortable with having casual, sexual relationships. If you frame your interactions with them as completely sexual (i.e. you do NOT text them other than to meet up, and when you do text to meet up, it is always just you and her alone at your place or her place), they will usually get the picture. From there, they can decide whether or not they want to continue in this direction while knowing full-well what the situation actually is.

Also, as Chase (and Zac) have mentioned, the frequency at which you see them affects the way they will see it. I pretty much never see these "casual" girls more than once a week, even if the sex is good. It helps keep her in check as to where things are headed so that she doesn't get the wrong idea. Although, as you mentioned, there are some girls that will uncontrollably begin to have feelings for you. It is important to handle this respectfully and appropriately.

All good points here, though. Thanks for the post, Jay.

- Franco
 

Jay

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Franco,

Can't wait until I'm a bit older for this exact reason man. Being 19, I am dealing primarily with girls between the ages of 18 and 21 right now, and I would think that verbally establishing what the relationship is becomes less and less necessary as the girls you sleep with get older. I feel like if I got in a casual sexual relationship with say, a 28 or 30 year old right now I wouldn't know if I was using them for sex, or if they were using me haha.

As to frequency, that is actually something I am trying to work on in my game right now. I have a tendency to have two or three girls I regularly have sex with at any given time (any more and it starts to get around that you are a man whore, which is a surprisingly game crippling label; any less and I'm not satisfied with the way my game is going), and I end up liking one of them much more than the other two, so I keep her around much more often, which leads to her liking me too much, so I have to constantly play a game of push and pull with her, alternatively making myself abundant and scarce so I can have the great sex and avoid the relationship at the same time. It has worked out pretty well so far, but it takes a lot of micromanagement to pull off, and could be avoided by cutting back on sex with my regulars a bit and laying more randoms (which I tend to lay on average one a week). I'm trying to make this transition, but it tends to be difficult because I like to prep one of my regulars every time I go out just in case I strike out gaming or get too drunk/lazy to game properly.

Jay
 

Chase

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Jay said:
I feel like if I got in a casual sexual relationship with say, a 28 or 30 year old right now I wouldn't know if I was using them for sex, or if they were using me haha.

Sounds about right...

Chase
 
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