NewBeeWinner: From Rock Bottom to The Stars

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Update 7/3:

Went out to a store today after work around lunch. Bumped into one girl who was cute and she showed me some tattoos and things. But for whatever ridiculous reason my body got the fuck out of there. I don't know why I was so nervous - she wasn't THAT attractive! I then bumped into her again and I got her to move with me a bit and talk with me. I got her laughing a few times but there was this weird tension.

I could tell she was super attracted so I eventually asked her out for coffee but she said she had a man at home so that likely was the weird tension. boo.

Religious girl also totally forgot we made plans to get coffee today so she was apologizing furiously haha but it was fine.

Anyways, I'm making edits to my outing schedule and refocusing my approach strategy because I'm not in college anymore where my best option is to get numbers because every girl is busy and on the way to class.

For instance, no more asking for numbers until I have asked on a same-day date.

Will update more in detail later today.

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7/5/2019:

Hope everyone in the US had a great 4th of July!

Sent religious girl a text to find out her schedule this weekend. No response yet, but we'll see.

I lost a Tinder match with a girl I had set up a date with (I know!) because I said the wrong thing (ugh!). So while I was kicking myself and feeling down about it (for being so stupid) I realized something:

1) she was wanting a boyfriend - this isn't what I'm wanting (at the moment)
2) she would have likely given LMR if I tried to escalate on her
3) she wasn't open to hookups (which I didn't reframe)
4) it saved me time, money, and energy that I can spend getting girls who are open to what I'm looking for

So then I started to feel better. Realizing it wasn't that big of a loss.

I also went through my FB and removed people I never hear from or talk to. I went from 453 FB friends to 123 friends.

I then went through my phone contacts and deleted 209 girls numbers that I messed things up with, didn't get a message back from, was a flake number, etc.

I'm going to update my seduction process and look at getting feedback from you guys on it. Then I'm going to also get feedback on my Tinder profile and go from there.

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7/8/2019 -

See my update on the religious girl. To repeat what I wrote on the Boards:

Update on the religious girl:

" She was texting me complaining about the guy in our church group who doesn't like her back (because she "really likes him"). So I made it pretty obvious I wasn't a fan of her talking about it (and encouraged her that "we're human. we make mistakes and move on" to which she agreed) by taking time between responses and using increasingly disinterested emojis.

Anyways, she wouldn't let it go and was wallowing in self-pity. Even when I tried to encourage her to move past it. I felt like it was a slap in my face.

So finally it got to a point where I told her "I think we shouldn't talk to each other for a while", reminding her that she'd find out of I was allowed back in the church group depending on if she saw me on Thursday or not. She said "Ok :) do whatever you need to do" and, while I understand her sentiment, she was totally off in her response compared to what I was looking for. I then said I'd just choose on my own to not come back. So she said "I don't want you to leave for good". So I asked why and got no response so I told her "goodnight :/" and went to bed. I then offered to get coffee with her to talk about things and she said she just wasn't interested.

So I said I'm leaving for good then. Bye.

She's now cut off and I'm done dealing with all this ridiculous drama with my church group. I'm not going anymore. I'm done.

I don't feel bad about it and feel free. She's losing out and she's failing to realize the value I'm bringing (and can bring) to her life. So let them all enjoy my absence. If they never come back, fine. The fault isn't hers and it isn't mine. It's just how things went.

Time to go out and find a new one.

NBW "



Moving Forward

I'm going out to the bars and clubs over the weekend with a buddy of mine. We've never been to the clubs here so it'll be interesting.

I'm also going to keep going out and day gaming. The best results I'm getting are from the stores and the dog park. Will update as things progress.

I'm going to be actively screening a lot more to get more of the right girl in my circle.

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Update 7/12/2019 -

After getting advice from my grandma, I reconciled with the mutual friend and the church group. But church girl, I did one attempt to reconcile on a whim and it's amazing how much my experience with her pissed me off. She said she flirted with me as a friend because I said I didn't want a relationship but I made it pretty damn obvious that I wanted to sleep with her and be physical with her. She said she didn't want just sex and that she lost attraction for me after going out because she assumed I didn't want anything (so guess what that tells me: I SHOULD'VE JUST PUSHED FOR IT AND SAID SORRY LATER). It tells me the backwards rationalization has already set in. So she said she doesn't feel the same and I'm honestly so pissed off at myself and at the entire situation. Her and the guy shes pointlessly chasing after haven't done anything physical. AND THE PROBABLY NEVER WILL CUZ THE GUY HASN'T EVEN KISSED A GIRL. It literally makes zero sense to me why she's chasing this guy when he has nothing to offer.

I'm so upset about it. So I've decided I'm going to become so damn good at getting and sleeping with girls that every single girl I've ever interacted with will regret not wanting to get with me. I'm so sick of being the one not chosen. So sick of only making it so far with women. Will I be bitter? No. But will I better? Hell no.

I'm going to be so damn good that every guy's girl and their mother will want me. Just watch. I'm going to fix all my weaknesses and go out and experience every single damn thing I can.

Nothing is going to hold me back anymore.

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Alright. Time to be serious.

Things that are holding me back from being at 100% (mentally and physically)

- Occasional masturbation during times of weakness. Biggest causes? A hard day followed by taking my phone in my room at night. The fix? To leave my phone downstairs. Much less likely to text something stupid or go back to online chats for sexting (no, I gave up porn long ago)

- My diet. My parents don't have the best diet. So I'm going to be much more selective about what I eat. No highly processed foods and giving up sugary or high salt foods. Focus instead on protein, carbohydrates, and good fats.

- I stopped taking cold showers so back to that. Sleep is also now a serious focus. I don't operate right without it.

- Proper exercise goals and socializing opportunities. No more holding back. I'm going to learn as much as I can and catch up.

- Logistics. This is just something i cannot fix right now. I have to go for women with their own place or push hard for sex in exotic places.

- Proper process. This is what I'm covering next.

Fixing my Game

I honestly for a while thought I was pretty solid at my game. But I've realized I still have so much to learn. Here's what I need to fix (in no particular order):

1) Bar Pickup
2) Club Pickup
3) I haven't completed a single seduction all the way through (have gotten close but not all the way yet)
4) Managing groups - I've done this before but never really learned the right way to
5) Managing two girls - I've always screened out girls who are in groups of two because I don't know how to handle them
6) Performing and handling rapid escalation - I've always been a really chill guy and it's resulted in me not being aggressive enough
7) leading a girl to an unusual seduction location (bathroom, forest, car, alleyway, etc.)
8) Getting a girl who has a boyfriend
9) Setting the right sexual frames very very early on and setting up the right expectations. i need to bake this in to my process.
10) Using compassion / empathy - something I'm seriously weak at
11) Using sexual tension over sex talk. Looking back on when I've gotten the furthest with girls in person, it was ALWAYS because there was a buildup of sexual tension. Sex talk takes away from that and is just plain crude. I've found it also puts girls on edge with you because you've shown them your hand (oh he must be a player)
12) Following a ladder when touching. I've been touching girls, but never did I do it according to a ladder.
13) Following a ladder with compliance. I've always gotten compliance with girls but I never did it according to a ladder.
14) I obviously need to work on staying mysterious and keeping a mystery about me. One thing I learned from the religious girl.
15) Focusing more on same day lays and dates. I've recently been making this a focus. Time to bake it into my process.
16) Fixing my fundamentals of face expressions, eye contact, and voice. I know I've been saying this for a while, but it's true. Although I know the right faces to make, I don't know what it feels like when I make them. Time to practice in the mirror. I also need to learn when to break eye contact and how to use it properly. I'm not a little bitch afraid to look someone in the eye. But it's time I learned how to use it to my advantage (and yes I've gotten girls horny just by looking at them).
17) Keeping my damn mouth shut. No more telling people about the girls I'm seeing or going out with. No more.
18) Being a better flirter. I flirt pretty damn well but I need it to be a more automatic process
19) Getting rid of saying "excuse me" and "how are you" when talking to people. Time to replace with genuine compliments.
20) Moving faster. Much faster.
21) Getting my timing down. I either rush into things too quickly or go too slow.
22) Framing myself properly. I need to get it into my head that I CAN BE ANYONE. Yes, I should be honest with a girl about myself. But does she need to know I want to become an anesthesiology assistant? Not necessarily. But does she need to know I'm going to school to eventually become wealthy, travel the world, and meet amazing, sexy women? Sure.
23) Staying busy socially. Time to stop being so damn lazy.
24) Girls are just girls are just girls. They're cute and funny and silly. There's millions of them.
25) Keep defining myself and building my value. I know I'm worth it. Time to make it known.

THE UPDATED OUTING SCHEDULE

So I have a lot to keep me busy. I also am fixing my outing schedule. The one I had before was way too constrictive and hard to follow because I needed options to pick from. So I'm changing it to the following, tested and verified (by myself) places to be:

MONDAY THRU WEDNESDAY I AM RELYING MOSTLY ON DAY GAME

Monday - Wednesday

7 - 12 Work
12 - 1 Gym

1 - 5 options:
  • Starbucks by campus (many young women - perfect time to go there), Target shopping center (one of my favorite locations), Hobby Lobby (also many young women and have met quite a few there), TUESDAY - I have class during this time

AROUND 5: A great time to go to the dog park. Also around 7:30 - 8:30. Works Mon - Wed.

5 - 6 Dinner
6 - 9 options:
  • Target shopping center (again, a great option), Kohls (clothing stores), happy hour at the bar, whole food stores, Starbucks (always seems to be hit or miss), king soopers store (one near my house), dog park (as stated above)

*Note: Post bar on the street is also a good time to hang out. Grab a seat outside and approach from there.*

*Note: On Wednesday night, I have two good options: Swing Dancing (which costs $8 each night, but a great option to learn to dance and do social circle game) OR going to the bars (which I've learned how to do pretty cheap thanks to Chase's article - tonic water with lime, please)

Thursday

7 - 12 Work
12 - 1 Gym
1:40 - 5 Class
5 - 6 Dinner
6: 30 - 10 Church Group (won't be getting any girls from here - I promised the pastor I wouldn't have sex with any of them, although he allowed dating, making out, etc. - I did so because I respect him) SO my goal into going in this group is to meet as many people as possible and get access to friends of friends - people not in the group, but that are friends of the people in the group. Won't be breaking my promise this way and I'll have to level up my social skills to be more involved in these people's lives.

FRIDAY THRU SUNDAY I FOCUS ON MOSTLY NIGHT GAME

Friday

7 - 12 Work
12 - 1 Gym - MY RECOUP DAY - soaking in hot tub, rolling to loosen up muscles
1 - 10 Starbucks by campus, bars, lounges, dive bars (which I haven't checked out yet - I'm going to), comedy show, music events, hookah lounges (I've been to a few - always nice women to talk to)

Saturday

7 - 12 Class
12 - 1 Urban Egg by my campus - plenty of cute girls and people to talk to at the community tables
1 - 10
  • Starbucks by campus, bars, lounges, dive bars (which I haven't checked out yet - I'm going to), comedy show, music events, clubs (which I haven't checked out yet), hookah lounges

Sunday

- Going downtown (free parking!), to the bar, hiking (a great option - time to use my photography and invite people along!)
- My relax day. Time to update the budget, relax, watch a movie, sleep in, read. Go for a walk at the park. Reboot for the following week.

ADDITIONALLY:

- Updating my Tinder profile. Will be posting on this soon.
- Revisiting the meetup groups
- Taking dance classes

I'm going to post an outing goals schedule next in an attempt to answer the question - what should I work on next from my list?

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Update 7/20 -

I've been following my new outing schedule and getting a bit better results than I was before. Another girl from my church group took an interest in me and although she isn't hugely my type - I'll keep her in mind and moving things forward. I don't want to limit myself to one type of girl.

I've met a girl who had a boyfriend and got her number. She was out of town until this weekend, so I'll text her tomorrow to see how her schedule is next week.

I went out with the girl I met at hobby lobby and you can see my FR on it (I actually don't think I wrote that...whoops). Anyways, we went out again two days ago to a movie thing. She met her friend (and her friends "date" from Tinder) there and we all watched the movie together. Had a good time. Touch with her is fine and it got me to her place and inside her room. Haven't done anything sexual with her yet but she's fine talking sexual topics and touches me back. For whatever reason, I need to really integrate it into my brain to focus on getting inside her before kissing her. She texted me today wanting to meet up and we are supposed to be meeting tomorrow. Which I just realized might be a bad timing problem....

To explain, I met a 38 year old single mom at Walmart lol. She didn't seem super interested but I got her talking and got compliance and eventually her number since she had somewhere to be that day. I called her to give her my number and turns out she texts me a ton and initiated contact over text with me first. She suggested we also meet this weekend to talk more, right before I was able to suggest it. She texts me "good morning" every morning and keeps in contact. So she's interested. We planned on meeting today at 6 but she texted saying she didn't feel well and had a horrible headache (she has been feeling bad the past few days so it wasn't a flake-like text) with her apologizing and asking if we could meet tomorrow instead, which I said works for me. This is where my timing issue comes in with the other girl but I think i can make it work...

Anyways, I'm hoping to press to sex with her. I'm really going to make an effort to focus on touch and compliance ladders in my interactions.

Finally, got another girls number yesterday while chilling at Starbucks. Shes working on her masters degree and is hugely a christian - so we'll see how open of a person she is. She took a day to respond to my "nice to meet you text" so I'll take a day or so to respond (which won't be too hard). Hopefully she's not too outside of what I'm screening for, but if she is, it's fine.

It's been pretty hard to go out night gaming. There isn't a big night scene where I am and it's really hard on me physically when I have Saturday morning classes and work early during the weekdays. Any lack of sleep greatly impacts my day.

I've realized a bit thing for me when day gaming is to just keep the conversation going smoothly and it usually works out alright. Where i go wrong is stopping talking too early into the conversation and not getting to a hook point. So I've been getting better at that.

Been staying busy socially and am enjoying it. Time to get sex as a part of my normal routine though. I really need the push to just know that "yes I can do it".

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Update 7/29:

Update on Previous Girls

The new church girl and me have definitely progressed since the update - much more physical, no commitment to a relationship, and pretty much what I was looking for. See my LR- on her for more.

Girl with the boyfriend I texted, but she never responded.

I met up with the hobby lobby girl and gave her a neck and shoulder massage while she helped me with my homework. She went out of town for the weekend and just came back in town today so we'll probably try and meet sometime this week (we tried to today but the weather got nasty).

The 38 year old single mom went sideways - see my LR- on that. Something I learned and fixed my calibration from. You can see that I am working on never doing that again with the new religious girl.

The girl from Starbucks I went out a few days ago and I found out she wasn't what I was looking for - a very devote Christian, not really open sexually, had only 2 previous relationships (at 26). Wasn't much of a strong connection and she was very hard to read. She did keep complying though, so I wonder if I should. But then even if I do isolate her, will I even get anywhere? With her background, I feel its a super tall order.

New Girls

I've been going out but have only gotten one new number from a girl I met at a bar at a place I usually go to - but she never responded to my texts.

Addressing My Insecurities

I want to address a few insecurities that have popped up in my journey with the new religious girl.

1 - Actually being OK with not having sex. I almost lost my chances with this girl because I let almost getting to sex - but not having sex (see my LR-) ruined my mood as we were heading back. I wasn't actually OK with not having sex. This lead me to think of my other insecurities.

2 - Being worried that this girl won't want to see me again. Is it true that if I don't get anywhere, I might not see her again? Yes. But, I'm viewing it wrong. It's that I need to improve my process and focus on moving faster by hitting the windows and keeping constant forward progress with the girl I'm with. If we don't get to sex, it's OK as long as she sees me as a lover and there is a constant forward progress with our dates. Why wouldn't she want to see me again as long as I set the right frames and keep things moving forward? I'm a high value guy - it's about time I see myself as much and begin to act from an abundance mindset.

3 - Being jealous of other guys and my friends. The religious girl had no string attached sex with some guys and has videos on her phone - and I'm jealous that we've been doing things (sexual, sure) but we haven't had sex yet. It bugs me in this way. I'm jealous. Then, I have my best friend who has a girlfriend (which is fantastic for him - I'm not wanting a girlfriend per se), but I'm jealous that he has access to consistent sex, that he didn't have to try so hard to get it as me, and that in the two years they've been together (2 years! He first got with her when he brought her to a party I hosted - and I haven't been able to get laid in those 2 years?! Makes me seriously question what I've even been doing all this time).

4 - Slowing down when I am out in public doing cold approaches. What do I mean by this? Actually slowing down and not being so damn anxious to meet the next person or go to the next venue or do the next thing. I need to focus fully on the moment and the things I am looking at and if a cute girl shows up, I need to be completely committed to interacting with ONLY her and moving things ONLY with her - until she shows disinterest and leaves or the interaction has to end for whatever reason.

These need to get fixed.

Thanks,

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Update 7/31/2019:

Went out today and talked with a very cute girl behind the movie theater - lots of flirtation and compliance. She said she had a boyfriend when I asked for her number but then, after being told I wasn't looking for anything because I enjoy being single, she said OK. BUT I decided to try something different and told her to give me her phone and then have her shoot me a text. BUT she never texted me so that fell off the face of the Earth :/

Then later today went out with my friend to support him as he is having a hard time with some recent events and flirted heavily with the very attractive waitress who flirted back. I didn't ask for her number because my friend was with me - but I really should've. We know her name so maybe we'll go back at a different day.

I really failed with these two but I can't let it ruin my day. I know I should've taken her number then told the first girl I'd call her so she had my number and then gone from there. But I didn't because I decided to experiment (kind of stupid considering I don't have THAT many girls I'm currently talking to).

ANYWAYS,

Me and the new girl from my church group officially agreed we are going casual and I set up some boundaries with it that she agreed to.

Me and the hobby lobby girl got into a small fight because I asked her how comfortable she was with moving things forward physically and she flipped out. I didn't let her fit me into her "friend" frame and told her we're taking a break and then stopped texting her.

I need to really go out and meet some new women but I'm not to worried. I've always been able to do this - but I really need to make it a point to keep following all the way through and doing what works - aka getting her number and calling her- NOT experimenting and telling her to text me (cuz she'll probably forget).

I've also realized the biggest chink in my armour

Not setting the right frames and reframing things to want I want with women to set the right expectations has been my biggest issues with the past couple of girls I've gotten with. I'm going to work on fixing this.

Anyways, I'm a little buzzed and am going to pass out.

Any comments/feedback appreciated!

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Update 8/2/2019 -

It is my goal this weekend to lay the new church girl this weekend since her parents are out of town. Will post LR when it happens (following up LR-).

I am going to be working on my reframing/game as I said before a bit tonight and this weekend~

I also realized something with the hobby lobby girl

Thank you to Chase for writing the GC article on Lopsided Relationships - I scanned through it and it's exactly the situation I almost fell into. I'm going to reread it again. I'm just going to move on and drop her - my goal in meeting and going out with her was to lay her. She doesn't want that - she wants me as just a friend she says. Well sex is the price of admission for me and her, so it's time to move on and find a new awesome girl open to sex with me. I just stopped replying to her texts and that's that.

THE BEST PART OF THE ARTICLE FOR ME:

"This element – scarcity – can immediately improve the value offering you have on the table, by tying everything together into one distinct package. Whereas before, your offer seemed to her to be “I will cherish you and be your companion. Also, I would like to have sex with you”, which is easy for her to reply by saying “I will accept the cherishing and your companionship but I don’t want to have sex”, your offer becomes “I can only cherish and offer my companionship to a woman who is mine sexually.” She can no longer pick what things she wants from you and leave aside the other things. Either she takes it all, or she gets none of it.
You have to mean it, and you have to be willing to move on if she won’t play ball. "

Till the next update,

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Update 8/12:

Hey guys. Been a while since I've updated.

Update on Girls

Got a LR from the new church girl. But then things were hard logistically for us to keep meeting and eventually it came - she just wanted to be friends because she "doesn't want sex right now" and tried to put me in the friend category. She said she might be open to it later, maybe not. So, realizing this went to shit and she was trying to make it a lopsided relationship where she gets my friendship but I don't get sex - I told her yeah we can be friends, but I won't have as much time for you. I'll be too busy getting a girl I can be friends with and have sex with. She said "yeah I'd rather be friends. If that's what you need do what you need to do." and that was that.

Honestly, I was upset because I know if I had been a better lover, this never would've happened. It really ticks me off that I'm just not there yet. It seriously motivated me to upgrade myself again. But I know I can get laid so that's a solid starting point.

I went on a date from a girl I met at a dog park on Saturday and it was OK. Didn't really connect with her emotionally and she was socially awkward at times - after reading Chase's article on this (She's Not So Socially Savy - You Must Be It For Her - for those interested), I realized even more I need to upgrade. I seen if she was open to a second date today by sending a text - but no response yet (which is fine - if she doesn't, I'll call it good and next her).

I'm going on a Tinder date on Tuesday (today's Monday - so tomorrow). This girl is also looking for something casual so I'm planning to take it back to her place (hopefully). If not, there's always the car ;) Will post FR/LR/LR- when it happens.

Did two approaches today - one was a super chill married girl that I warmed up on. She hooked pretty hard but ultimately was married lol (said her husband wouldn't like her hanging out with me lol). The other hook ended up being a 17 yr old girl who was pretty cool. I asked her age, purposely making it obvious my original intention. But once I found out she was underage, I told her we could hang out just to hang out (she was actually seriously cool). So new female friend!

I was going to do more approaches today - but the brakes on my car were non-existent so I'm out of a vehicle until tomorrow *and a lot of money to fix it! :(

Finally, had a girl I approached a while back let me know she's back at school out of state so logistically it won't work. I wished her the best and to let me know when she's in town and called it good.

What I am Motivated to Work On Now

1) Increasing my testosterone levels aka
no masturbation, drinking plenty of water, quality sleep (no electronics after a certain time, reading/stretching before bed, dark room, etc.), cold showers, exercising, etc.

2) My Speaking
I've been saying for a while I'm going to work on this and now I seriously am. I'll practice with a camera recording myself.

3) My Tinder profile
I'll post on here to get recommendations

4) Being a better lover
Reading GC articles on this and doing kegel exercises

I'm going to be ready. No more letting chances pass me by. I'm done.

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Update 8/20:

Hey guys. It's already been a week since my last update huh...

Update on Girls that Were

Tuesday Tinder date didn't work out. Girl actually lived too far away to be worth the trip.

Met up with a guy I had met on my college campus a year ago at my church group - he remembered me as we were both going for the same girl at the time (haha). I was surprised - we exchanged numbers and he was upset that I never texted him! (and I at the time thought this kid was super cool). He asked if he'd see me again and I said yeah.

Update on Approaches and New Girls

I went out and checked out a new location - a dog park about a 30 min drive from my parents place. Talked with some of the girls but man it was hard to really connect because all of their focus was on their dogs. I'd have to think of a way to deal with that.

I also went to a new location yesterday and came across two girls taking photos of each other in different poses (it's an outdoors location). They were both pretty cute but as they were in a two-pairing I didn't really approach. That same location I also came across a girl, her bf, and the girl's friend. The friend seemed like she wanted me to talk to her so I addressed the group and she replied but it didn't get past that. I should've integrated myself into the group and talked with her more... Anyways, it's a good location to go to to find a lot of cute girls. I'm going to keep trying it to see how it goes.

Yesterday I also met a girl at a Starbucks. But, she was 17 and in high school. I still got her number but she also has a boyfriend in college and honestly I'm not going to do anything with her anyways (I told her we'd be friends and friend zoned her). But she still responded to my hangout like I am trying to date her so whatever.

I went to a water park with friends a few days ago (super fun!). Thought it might be good for pickup a bit (especially waiting in line). But, there was only a ton of questionably aged girls, kids, and single moms with their kids (though the single moms are hot! - it's just hard to do anything with their kid hanging off them). So nothing came of it there in terms of girls.

I have been actively doing my hardest to go out to events and the like. So far that's gone well but I haven't really picked up any girls from it so far.

I went out yesterday and got a Tinder match with a girl down for anything. But yesterday night she was free but it just didn't work for me time-wise. So I don't know what will come of it at this point. i want to get a lay out of her - that's my goal. Will update as it progresses.

Looking Forward

I'm working part-time 20 hours a week, taking 5-6 college classes (full-time student is around 4), doing an internship (which I got that I'm super excited about!) that I spend 9-10 hours a week doing, and basically won't have a lot of time free (which I'm super sad about because when am I going to go out and meet these girls?!)

It's honestly bugging me a lot and making me sad. Once this week is up and my schedule is busy like that, when will I have time to socialize? It doesn't help that I'm still at my parents house.

So, I'm thinking of switching over to online dating as my primary way to meet women during the next 4 months because of how busy my schedule will be. I honestly don't like it - I love meeting people in person and doing cold approaches and all that way more than online dating. It feels like I'm cheating myself.

I also am thinking of just dropping the idea of getting a place with my buddy and his gf (my buddy is being way too picky and has too many vehicles he needs a garage for) and just going solo on my own to get a place. I'd probably have to get a sublet to get something I can afford.

But I was also thinking about getting a night job as a bartender. This would give me extra cash and actively expose me to women in person that I could probably turn into something. So I'd keep my social skills sharp and not neglect my in person skills.

But I'm worried about burnout. So I'll get a few opinions.

That's all for this update.

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Update 8/20 - evening:

Hey guys.

Today I did a lot of thinking. I'm really stressing myself out. I'm addicted to being busy.

Starting next week:

I'm working part time (20 hours a week), have an internship (9-10 hours a week), and am taking 5 classes (more than full time) as a Biochemistry major. This stresses me out. What I talked about this morning right?

Well guess what? My parents are going to start charging me to live here. And I'm just getting more threats and no support. So I have to figure out a way to support a second job to afford a place on my own..

Anyways its not a excuse. It's just how things ended up being.

I also got to thinking about my seductions - what's the biggest things holding me back? My logistics is a massive one - I"m with my parents with no place to take girls. It's hard, especially when the girl is with her parents.

I have to overcome this and I'm scared shitless. I'm so freaking afraid I'm going to burnout. I'm worried.

But I have to do something.

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Update 8/24:

Had plans for a date tonight. A hot single mom who we had planned to meet yesterday (Friday night) but had to reschedule because her daughter wouldn't leave to go stay with her grandmother. I was cool about it and we planned for tonight.

But she flaked. No text, no call, no anything.

So I just played it cool and we'll see if I ever hear from her again...

I don't have any other girls on my list (well, there is one girl that's back in town I may go out for coffee with). But otherwise I'm fresh out of girls. And my classes start on Monday. Fantastic (sarcasm).

So I'm going to start a 100-days to a better life journey. I'll post that in a bit.

I can't keep living life this way any more. Time to get out what I'm putting in.

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Update 8/25:

Brought up moving out to my parents. Found a great place (financially) that I could probably afford.

But of course it turned into a big fight. My dad brought up how in the future, when I go to medical school, it'd be pretty much on them (my parents) to pay for it (since the specific program I'm going into they (the school) HIGHLY recommends AGAINST having a job during that time). He's not wrong and it's valid. So he questions how I'm going to "help them". If I spent $500 on rent, that adds up to a couple thousand over the course of a half a year or a year that I could be saving to spend towards that.

But it's going to be about another year before I'm fully in the program (I graduate from my undergrad in 4 months + a semester off, 5 months + summer, 2 months). After thinking it through, I CAN NOT stay with my parents another year. They made it clear - I can have friends over and girls even, but girls cannot spend the night (aka no sex). It just doesn't and won't work that way so that's something I just can't accept.

And, of course, that's not the only reason I want to move out (but it is a big one). SO I emailed the medical school to find out how I can pay for the program.

My course of action is:

1 - Find a way to pay for the program that satisfies (even if I have to "serve" some time afterwards)
2 - I am going to move out. I've decided, but I agree I need to find a way to pay for this thing FIRST
3 - Do bartending on side to get extra cash

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Update 8/26:

I was doing thinking today and doing some researching. I was sad because I don't have a lot of the things I feel other guys have - hot girlfriends, seemingly constant sex, being invited to parties all the time.

But then I thought about it. I don't really want to go to parties all the time. I enjoy drinking but not for the sake of getting drunk. And if a girl is drunk then she's just that much more of a "I really would rather fuck you sober" situation.

The constant sex of course still bugs me xD but my point is that I don't need to be sad if I'm not commanding a massive social circle of people. In fact, it just seems like a lot of work to me (and drama).

I MUCH prefer talking one-on-one with people (shown by how I act in my church group - I'll talk to a group but I then isolate a girl I like to talk to her - or I go and approach a cool guy I want to get to know and talk with him one-on-one). Talking in groups just doesn't make much sense to me (especially if I want to get to know a particular girl). Why not just isolate and get what you want from the situation then move on? (To Note: I also enjoy small groups up to like 3-4 people).

Even with texting, I was jealous of my friend for a while for all the group chats he's in. But I realized I much prefer messaging people one-on-one. But then I got sad because not that many people message me (but that's because I've tried to fuck a lot of the girls and the girls that have boyfriends I flirt with all the time...) Plus, I just haven't been meeting as many new women lately. Which brings me to my next point...

I hate being told how to live my life. I was thinking about the church group situation today and it's the perfect example of social hierarchy. The young adult pastor is the alpha male - commanding the group, leading the activities, etc. There's obviously beta guys that don't really do anything and a lot of hot and cute girls I want to get to know. So me, being more of a sigma male, is like "fuck these religious beliefs that I don't see a reason at all for being valid and a tool to control the sex in the group" so I approach, isolate, and begin getting intimate with a lot of these girls. Then the alpha male feels I'm fighting for his position and becoming a position of persuasion in the group spreading my "let's fuck" ideals when he's trying to say the opposite. So he imposes these rules on me that I can't talk to the girls without a guy around and no isolating a girl shit. I hate it and it honestly made me 1) question my faith and 2) made me realize I don't like being controlled in this way because I promise there are other people in the group who disagree with his position.

And as another example, me being limited in my ability to talk to girls on campus. It honestly bugs the hell out of me that I can't go around and meet new women. I'm definitely not going to do the same dumb shit I did last time but I honestly feel on edge talking to girls at all on campus because it may come back and bite me in the ass since I've already done the damage. I hate that society feels like they need to impress their beliefs of how dating and sex should be on me. Why should I have to live how you decide to live? IT"S MY LIFE. The people in my classes are ALL the same from previous years and it's honestly boring af. (though my classes are super interesting!)

Plus, it's not like my schedule is THAT bad. I am pretty much done by 5 PM during the week days. The issue I run into after that is homework (which I need to get nailed down before figuring out my socializing schedule).

So, at the end of all this thinking (everything I wrote above), I realized: I'm not as sad and depressed as I thought I was. I'm just as free as I choose to be. I honestly want to confront my young adult pastor because I'm sick of these dumb rules and I am going to start going out after school to meet more women. I honestly think having my own place and NOT having my parents breathing down my neck telling me "no girls are staying over for the night" will make a HUGE difference.

That's where I'm at and that's where I think I"m supposed to be.

Time to read some more GC articles ;)

NBW
 

Pitcher

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Wow you are really dedicated man! Straight hustling.

Have you met any other guys in your area who game? From personal experience I’ve learned a ton from going out with guys who are better with girls than I am because they could give me pointers and I was able to learn from observation as well.

And the other thing I would mention is that charisma/social savvy doesn’t have to be limited to girls you’re interested in. Being able to hold an interesting conversation and connect with a stranger at a bus stop/park/store/coffee shop/etc. carries over well into cold approach, so even if you can’t hit on girls on campus, you can still up your social game. Everyone has a story, and oftentimes not wanting to sleep with the person you’re talking to actually allows you to more fully appreciate their story.

Stay positive and keep getting after it dude!
 

NewBeeWinner

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Alchemy32osp,

Thanks man! I really appreciate that.

I have not outright met any other guys in my area that game. I do know one guy though that just recently popped up in my life that is pretty good with women (I haven't gone out with him to game though). I was thinking about asking him about it (I see him tomorrow - so I'll do that).

Thanks for the advice - I definitely am slowly rewarming back up to just talking to people around me on campus. But even outside of that, I can do better working on my social game for sure. I've met some pretty cool people here!

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Update (8/28/2019) -

Getting the place I could afford fell through - I inquired about getting it and the people said they had found someone already (and forgot to take the posting down). I was actually pretty upset by this but I've cooled down a lot. I'm going to keep my eyes open for a place - the logistical (and mental) help knowing I can bring girls back to my own place to close (and not to her place) would be amazing.

I threw together my schedule and between work, class, and my internship, I'm busy until 5 every weekday. Now this isn't too bad, except for homework. Today alone, I got home, ate dinner, and went to Starbucks to do homework (ran into a guy I knew there and met a few of his friends, which was nice) and didn't finish everything I needed to until 8:30 PM. I'm not a night gamer (i.e. clubs) because of how early I have to wake up in the morning, so no late nights for me. Also, I don't think I can do bartending (which I'm honestly sad about) because of this (unless I did just weekends).

Now granted, I did take a walk around 7 to take a break, but it was quick (about 10 min). BUT I thought about it. I can go to the gym first thing in the morning (6 AM) before I go to work (7 AM) AND I have about an hour most weekdays (Mon,Wed,Fri) after my internship to eat lunch.

NOW, for lunch, if I bring lunch (or buy it) I can sit down at a table with people or next to a cute girl and get to know her that way. It's organic, low pressure, and very unlikely to come back and bite me in the butt. SO I'm going to try and meet at least 1-2 women a day at lunch.

BUT I realize this isn't really enough women to meet to make a lot of progress. Yet, I don't really know how to manage my evenings yet to meet more women (unless I get my own place and go out right after 5 to the store/bar or something). I was thinking of making it a habit to go home, eat, and then go out at 6 PM - 7 PM to cold approach. I'd focus on 4 approaches a day total (so 20 per week, not including weekends).

I'm not including weekends because I honestly don't know what to expect with my homework load yet.

SO MOVING FORWARD (IN SUMMARY):

1) I'm keeping my eyes open for places I can afford to move out (better logistics, more freedom, easier to close more consistently)
2) I'm getting back to going to the gym - but just first thing in the morning
3) I'm going to try to make 1-2 of the women I meet in a day women I meet at lunch (Mon, Wed, Fri)
4) Outside of those women I meet at lunch, I'll take one hour after 5 (5-6) to go out and cold approach. The goal is 4 women total a day (20 a week).

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Hey guys,

Quick update before I start my day.

1) Found a few new places I could probably afford so I'm looking into that.
2) If I approach 1 new woman at lunch (Mon, Wed, Fri), 1 new woman after/directly before classes (every week day), and 2 new women off campus every day (aiming for 4 a day) that's:

20 women a week
80 women a month
400 women over the course of the semester until I can get my own place and be done with school

Not to include weekends.

So I think it's a good measurable goal to work towards. It's also low pressure. I still have a slight mental block on approaching at campus but this is low pressure on the girls and my goal is just to approach - if they say they have a boyfriend or aren't interested, it's OK. It's also low pressure on me to keep me calm. "Just talk to one girl in the next 30 minutes". It's totally doable.

I just need to keep meeting a good amount of women and keep working towards getting my own place. With my busy schedule, that's a good thing to do.

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Update 9/1:

Alright guys. Taking into account everyone's advice (thank you again), I'm going to put off finding a place until I graduate. Save my money.

Instead, I'm going to focus on continuing to do my approaches. What about the logistics? Well, I want to take these next four months and get better at:

1) escalating in unusual places (I'm actually really excited to try this more - cars is only an extension of this)
2) focusing on same-day lays/dates (if possible - if not, get her number, but I can't let this be my default)

In addition,

1) including byronic traits in my discussions with women (1-2 traits - I've been trying to do this but I realized after reading that I've been doing it wrong - whoops)
2) mastering my approach until the hook point (strong eye contact, verbals, touch asap, introducing myself, mastering the direct-indirect)

NBW
 
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