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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat May 28, 2016 11:24 am

I have some stuff to talk about today. I didn't mention it in my last post, but I am doing waitressing.

Rant's behaviour changed in the past week. She doesn't hold eye contact for as long and does not mimic my facial expressions as much. Throughout the week she asked me a few questions about myself, I didn't answer those questions with a direct answer. Perhaps the most puzzling thing was that she started touching me. Two of these times were bad. For example, we were opening the restaurant and she said that it smelt like Axe. I was about an arm's length away from her and could not smell anything. She grabbed my arm and yanked me over to exactly where she was. I really shouldn't have budged but wasn't expecting it. There was another time where she did relatively the same thing. I feel like this is bad, because..she feels dominant enough to do that. I can't figure it out besides that.

She also stuck a receipt into my waitress satchel, which practically sits in front of my crotch. And she stuck an ice cube down the front of my shirt. Other times were a high five, a tap on the back, and also some incidental touch where her body brushed against mine, but I feel like the incidental touch was definitely purposeful. There was no way her body could have brushed against mine without really trying.

One last thing: We were having a chat and I made really intense eye contact with her. It was really intense for me and I had a slight smile on my face, kind of a seductive look. She broke into a smile too, but it was the weirdest smile. I can't figure out what kind of smile it was on her part. I don't know if its possible, but can moments like these completely override a girl's mind? Maybe she was really turned on for a quick moment. Or she was just uncomfortable. IDK, I'm probably just overthinking it.

This week I improved on my eye contact. I look at people at the bridge of their nose now and am slightly tilting my head when talking to them. Also practising my walk lots, I feel its easier to have a sexy walk when I'm wearing certain shoes.

I am generally well received by the female customers I serve at my work. I am getting lots of tips from them! This is a great opportunity for me to practice my fundamentals and body language. I find the girls start hanging on to my words if I build suspense and use pauses.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun May 29, 2016 11:07 am

Goals for this week:

1. Continue holding eye contact and look at the person's nose bridge.
2. Do vocal exercises every day to deepen my voice
3. Practice vocal fries
3. Continue to practice my walk
4. Practice being more relatable by using a female conversational style
5. Do not re-bring up conversation topics once they are done being talked about.
6. Go to the gym once
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun May 29, 2016 2:01 pm

Just went grocery shopping - it was an interesting occasion. I was wearing a lion shirt and black and white cartoon pants. I brought along my book bag, which is cream coloured with 4 instances of snoopys face on it.

In the freezer section, I noticed this artsy fartsy looking girl. She had her back turned to me. I walked up to the yogurt and my back was turned to her. Then the artsy girl opened me from behind. I turned around to her as she was saying to me, "its so cold in here, i could just hang out here all day!" (because its hot outside). She smiled at me and she scurried off rather quickly after I replied, "I know right."

When I was checking out at the cash, the cashier (a woman in her early 20s) complimented my pants. She was helping me pack my stuff, then another female cashier came over to help. This other cashier started complimenting my book bag and was showing it to the other cashiers. I am getting lots of compliments on my book bag lately. It's not girly (but girls like it) and its unique, which makes it a good conversation piece. Peacocking? Then the second cashier started talking about movies and stuff to me.

These sorts of things never happen to me. I started wearing my hair different recently. This could have to do with it. Or maybe it was just a coincidence. Haha.

When I'm out shopping lately, I find older women opening me. For instance I was standing in line at the thrift store buying a pair of dress shoes and this woman in her 40s (it looked like) started talking to me about the shoes I was buying. She was even touching me. I will definitely have to focus on taking these interactions to the next level.

Um, I am looking forward to getting better with women! There were a few months where I wasn't practising at all, but the reason I started practising again was because of Rants.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:37 am

the vocal exercises i have been doing are really paying off. I have greater control of my voice and im able to do vocal fries a lot. it makes it so easy to flirt and just portray a sexy vibe in general. i can't wait to keep working on my voice. :)

Rants is holding tons of eye contact with me and she's even giving me these looks sometimes.

I must keep remembering that the girls i interact with should be trying to impress me. in no way should i be trying to impress them.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:54 pm

Goals for this week:

1. Continue strong eye contact
2. Look at women from the corner of my eyes
2. Tilt my head when talking to women
3. Continue vocal exercises
4. Try pre-opening
5. Use more hand gestures when talking
6. Use sexy body language more often (for example, standing with my hands on my thighs, because it acts like a frame for my dick. or just having my hand on my thigh/rubbing my thigh, i can imagine that would turn women on)
7. Practice bored and skeptical looks where necessary.
8. Practice the awareness radius.
9. Do some research on developing an awesome scent.
10. Practice active listening.
11. Use more pauses when talking.

I understand that facial expressions become more convincing when you are feeling the emotion behind them.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:11 pm

Ahhh! I love the way my voice is developing. Nearly all the time I can talk with a purr. Now I just need to work on projection and talking in a slightly deeper voice (the vocal exercises have helped a little bit with my range).

As is to be expected, I have become hypersensitive to people's voices. I pay a lot attention to what voices are attractive and which are not.

I will have to tweak my posture a little bit, I am not sticking out my chest as much as I should. The eye contact, head tilting, and corner looking are all going well.

I used pauses in the wrong way. Two times people said, "oh you had to stop and think about that eh"

Ah! All week i practiced bedroom eyes. I also use the cute and sexy look a lot but make sure its really subtle. Also been practicing the "I know you want me look." I think i accidentally used it on rants the other day, because she gave me this weird look like "thanks but no thanks."

I seem to be receiving some interesting responses from women in general lately. I think the combination of the cute and sexy look, the strong eye contact, and a really mischievous sexy smile with a purr in my voice is what's been huge for me.

For example, my psychologist initiated touch with me more than ever at our last appointment. In fact, I even got some practice in by challenging her. She said "Blablabla youre my favourite person to work with out of everyone I see." I said "oh yeah? I bet you say that to everyone." She replied "no I'm serious." Also when I was using laser eye contact on her, I saw her eyes flitting back and forth. Good.

Then this customer at work compared me to Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory. I fucking hate that guy and do not want to be him. However, she meant it as a compliment. She said I was smart and my general atmosphere was like him...what!? She took my hand and held onto it for a long time.

Another lady customer who was older could not stop talking about how cute I was. Since I am short and not the most masculine, it is easy for chicks to perceive me as cute and not hot. I bet they think I'm some harmless puppy dog. So I'm gonna have to ramp up the sexy vibe and really focus on it.

Soo this week at work I'm gonna work on being a ladykiller haha!! I've been practicing pre opening customers at work. I've been getting really good at making conversation with them and the majority of my interactions are positive rapport building.

Anyways, this past weekend I went to Toronto. Partied with my brother and best friend and two girls. I was drunk as fuck and my fundamentals were sloppy (I feel like). But the one girl was totally really friendly with me and acting like a mother to me. Gotta think more about why women treat me this weird way. Obviously I wasn't a challenge to her, I really should have qualified her and stuff....OH! ALSO, my best friend was trying to put me down in front of the girls. I thought it was so pathetic. He was pointing out my hair (obviously trying to call it stupid) and then made fun of me for the way my shirt was tucked in (lmfao, it was totally normal). I just brushed it off tbh. If anything its sort of a compliment because he views me as a threat meaning he thinks I'm on the same level as him or higher.

And you know what? I totally forgot to touch these girls. One of them went home with my brother.

I was texting my best friend's friend (Named Water) for shits and giggles. She doesn't even live around here. At first she was implying through the undertones that I was trying to sleep with her because the conversation was focused on sex. She is seeing someone. She was really kinda unfriendly. But after a compliance test, some qualifiers, and a push & pull, I deep dived her and we really connected.

This weeks goals are similar to last weeks goals:

1. Continue working on my voice. Practice in a deep voice and learn how to project.
2. Continue the laser eye contact with the head tilting
3. Use hand gestures
4. Build suspense the right way with pauses. Talk slower.
5. Fine tune my walk some more
6. Practice my facial expressions, especially bedroom eyes and the "i know you want me" look
7. Fine tune my posture
8. Practice building sexual tension
9. Practice not having sarcasm in my voice. Everyone always thinks I'm being sarcastic (I think I'm a little bit too enthusiastic)
10. Practice being bored around women.
11. I need to qualify! I need to shit test women.
12. Gonna get some cool hair this week

BTW I feel like women are either really attracted to me or they're not. The eye contact can really be unnerving for some of the people I work with, I feel like. They know I'm intense like that.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:04 pm

One more goal I have for this week is to be rock solid with my frames, and to not be a slave to other people's frames. It's a little tough to explain. For example, I took some cleaning cloths to clean the chalk off the restaurant sign at work today. Rants had been using them before. She says to me, "You took my cloths!" I said to her, "No, they're my cloths." Something along those lines. Like I could have gone with her frame that they were hers, but I changed it around and built my own frame. I think I need to do this more often.

I've been playing around with the awareness radius. I can have my attention centred near someone, but it won't be on them. Basically they are in my peripherals. Then they look at me, because they think I'm looking at them...but I'm not. This will be great for pre opening. Can get chicks to look at me first.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:14 pm

Today I was inputting an order into the computer at work. Rants, from behind, says "You're not an idiot! You're awesome." in a genuine way and then rubbed my back. Not sure what the context of this was...she had been just talking to someone else so maybe they were talking about me.

I totally ignored her and pretended I didn't even hear her. I should have said thank you because I feel like it was a form of investment on her part (touch and a compliment). Probably over thinking it but I feel like not even acknowledging her compliment made my attainability drop. I feel bad. I want to encourage good behaviour. I got her to comply and invest a lot today (I dropped my notepad and I asked her to pick it up. It was right in front of me and I could have easily picked it up myself.) and she also made a drink for me. I didn't even drink it though. It was an alcoholic drink, and I am most definitely not drinking alcohol while I'm at work! Haha

The rest of the day she was kinda cold to me.

I'm going to do a lot more research on attainability and investment.

I got a cologne, CK One by Calvin Klein. Chase recommended it. I like the smell He says the best smell is to just go without any sort of scent at all, because your sweat is the best scent. But....how could I do that without having pit stains in my clothes all the time? haha...
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:44 pm

Hello friends,

I mentioned before my posture needed work. I have improved it, and I know it's perfect because people are asking me, "Do you work out?" I do not work out, I am just naturally built. But not built enough for people to automatically think, "Ok this guy definitely works out." I think that's good. My answer to this question is "maybe" with a smile but I know theres a better way to answer, so I'll have to do a quick bit of thinking.

I've met girls before who have a really sexy closed mouth smile like the one Chase recommends to use. I am always attracted to these chicks and consider them to have mad sex appeal. I start thinking that they probably get lots of guys. So, I'm confident that when I wear this smile, people are thinking the same thing about me. I'm practising using the other side of my mouth to smile.

Also just thinking about touch. This one girl in the past has squeezed my arm gently before when we connected. I'm gonna start using this, because it's a great way to connect with people.

I read Chase's article about how to spin my flaws into Byronic flaws. I incorporated it into my skill set immediately because I was intrigued by it. Tested it out today but it's gonna need some tweaking, I feel as though I did it wrong.

Rants was being really hyper yesterday, and then she was being mean to me! She was obviously pretty horny. I tried out the bored look on her when she was being mean but it wasn't really working because I didn't do it properly. I couldn't stop smiling because what she was saying was so fucking stupid and over the top. Like she was saying I was scum and compared me to that yucky slime algae that those fish eat. Except she didn't know it was called algae. I told her it was called "Rants." Then she laughed and stopped talking.

She thought I got mad at her when she was teaching me how to pour wine. I told her, "I could never get mad at you!" She starts looking and acting flirty and says, "Neither can anyone else." I didn't know what to say after that, that could have been a good time for a push and pull or a witty remark. Unfortunately I just ended up saying "really" in a stupid tone of voice and nothing happened after that. Do girls hate it when guys ruin flirting? She was pretty warm for a while after this.

Ahem, and my eye contact still needs to be perfected. Although my eye contact is usually really intense, it is not consistent. I just need to consistently look at the bridges of people's noses all the time. It just doesn't feel like I connect with them when I do that, although they are connecting with me. And I'm the one to look away first lately, especially with Rants. Yesterday she was holding really intense eye contact with me and I was looking away first. Then today, my other coworker and her were talking about my contacts in my eyes. They said they could see them. Rants was just staring intently into my eyes with doe eyes. I broke eye contact to look at my other coworker. When I looked back, she was still staring. It would have been a great opportunity to just gaze into each other's eyes for an extended period of time, but it was too intense for me so I broke that and I feel like a panzy. My thought process was something like "Wow whys she doing that this is intense, I don't want her to fall in love with me." Imagine I had titled my head too? Ugh.

I was flirting with my female supervisor too. That was fun. :)

More goals:

1. Sharpen up eye contact and head tilting and figure out my thought processes when I break eye contact.
1. A) Hold eye contact when laughing with someone.
2. Get better at being a byronic person
3. Get better at flirting.
4. Be adaptable to situations. I need to realize what skills to bring out that are going to maximize my interactions.
5. Stop being a pansy.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:58 pm

Tried out an eye contact technique called "eye contact half steps" several times today on my roommate. Each time I used it, my roommate looked very startled. The last time I used it on him, he started asking me how I was feeling and accused me of hiding something from him.

I can't wait to use the shy eyes technique too.

I met a girl in a thrift store today, she had a great reaction to me. :) She was working there. She opened me by saying she loved my shirt and really wanted to wear it so I let her try it on. I told her she looked fun in it and took a picture of her - is this a qualification?

In our conversation she said she really wanted to see my wardrobe and also said I made her day by talking about why I did not want to buy a shirt with an interesting pattern I had tried on.

She seemed a tad shy. Hopefully she's working there next time I go.

Also, I must mention that I need to act more dominant. I ask permission too much.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:53 pm

After reading Chase's article "She Wants to Submit" I have been practicing making people submit to my frames. In other words I'm being a jerk hahah...
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:37 pm

I've made a few interesting observations the past few days including a change in the way I view women.

Women used to be intimidating to me, but not anymore, now I view them as....cute, silly, odd creatures who I shouldn't take too seriously.

I've been looking back on past experiences with women and really noticing my mistakes. Huge, glaring mistakes. Or, I look back on successes and I know why it was a success. I used to be such a nice guy....not anymore.

I'm getting half decent at teasing women, I think.

Before, I would look at people's noses to hold eye contact. But now I'm looking at a very specific point on their nose when I want to have even more intense eye contact. I can sense that people are a little bit uncomfortable with it. I dont know - maybe I'm straining my eyes when I do this and it looks weird? Regardless, it would be weird to have someone staring into your soul. Oh! And also, it's hard to think because I'm so focussed on the eye contact. So I really gotta scale this back. Also been trying looking in the right eye.

I was having an intense conversation with an older female customer at work today. I've seen her a few times, she's really friendly. She can't stop gushing over how cute I am and today she gave me a kiss on the cheek. She treats me like her child. Anyways, so I'm talking to her, using strong eye contact, then her husband comes up and is standing beside us. He gets into the conversation for a second, then stops while I'm talking to the girl. I totally ignore him, but he's still looking at me while I talk to the girl. They go to leave and the husband pats me on the back...twice. The look on his face...I don't know. He was either a little jealous (if thats the word) or maybe thought things were a little too intense.

The president of my college and another lady, and I were talking. I assume the president to be a high status individual. Except, during this conversation, I was not using strong eye contact. At the end of the conversation the president says, "You're a great guy to talk to." Was this a genuine comment? I feel like the conversation would have had a lot more meaning with strong eye contact. So here I'm making a note to make sure to do the best you can when talking to high status individuals.

Also, made a mistake recently. Rants asked me for change. When I said I had some, she told me she loved me and went to go get her money. She came back and told me she liked me, twice. I thought this was weird but I guess it was her way of saying thanks. Well, I could have teased her or told her she was a great person too! But I told her I hated her! And I forgot to use a teasing tone of voice. It came out wrong. I felt terrible afterwards. Why would I say this? She got really upset too......I hurt her feelings.

Something else: It's been mentioned that when you have a conversation, it's important to decide what you want out of it. I'm going to have to start doing this. I look back on conversations and realize the conversation didn't go so well when I didn't set the frame for it. Are we getting to know each other? Is this just small talk? Etc. Etc.

Also saw a guy with great posture today. It looked so good!
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:35 am

I have been listening to other people's conversations. I don't know if this is true or not, but generally I feel like I am a shitty conversationalist. I have great conversations with some people, whether I'm deep diving them or just talking about random stuff. But there seems to be a gap in my conversation skills somewhere. It's frustrating.

My co worker seems to be exceptionally good at talking to people. But I just can't figure out why. My job has ended so I can no longer analyze him. It seems that he is able to relate to people really easy and asks the RIGHT questions about them.

Something happened involving him that was pissed me off. There was this chick who was setting up a powerpoint at work for an event that was happening that night. She was having a little bit of difficulty setting up the powerpoint. I teased her for it. Afterwards, she was sitting down in the restaurant and she looked at me so I went and started deep diving her. I was asking her about why she got into videography. In this conversation, I didn't talk about myself at all. Then my co-worker came up and interrupted and she turned her attention to him and then they got into a conversation. I just started staring off into the distance acting bored and eventually to go in the kitchen. What I noticed was though, while they were talking, the tone of her voice totally changed to a more seductive one. And they were sharing stories and relating. I didn't talk to the chick for the rest of the night.

Oh well. I have some good news. I'm getting good at holding eye contact for a long time. It no longer is awkward to me! My frame control is getting excellent too, although on Friday I messed up on my frame.

My roommate's drunken boyfriend took me over to the neighbours house at midnight. I was wasted too. I have never met them before, surprisingly. They were awfully cold towards me. We were standing outside their house. We weren't invited, so I guess they felt violated. Anyways, I was talking to the one girl who was sitting on the ground closest to me. I had no intention of hooking up with her. Her friends who were listening in on the conversation said, "you have no chance of getting with her." I can't remember what I said, but my response was based on the current conversation topic at that particular time. I basically took their question and reframed it so that it made it seem like I thought they were talking about the conversation topic. Anyways, a more powerful reframe would have been "No, actually it's the other way around." That would be reframing me as the prize.

My goals for this week are to reveal a little bit more about myself to people in conversations. Also, I need to be more relatable. I just want to get better at conversations in general.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:44 am

I have noticed times where women are acting submissive. Next time I notice something like that I'm going to take advantage of it. :)

I'm also working on nailing this facial expression....it's a really animated cute face. Kinda stunned, without a smile.

I'm having trouble controlling my voice lately though, that's bothering me.

I was at a party last night. I wasn't feeling the greatest to be honest. I drank on friday and i'm gonna be feeling like shit for the next couple of days, probably. i gotta stop drinking. anyways.... I talked to this one guy, I always have great conversations with him. Then this girl tries getting in on the conversation. Her body language was really centred on him, but she was mostly looking at me.... I gave her some looks and started acting really flirty when the conversation turned from me and him to all three of us. I touched her a little but BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHE WAS WITH THAT GUY, HAHAHAH. She avoided me for the rest of the night after that. She wouldn't even look at me.

I'm working on portraying a sexy vibe. It's kinda easy...kinda

My roommates friend is into me, I'll talk about that tomorrow.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:06 am

Last weekend I was really mean to my body. I stayed up really late 3 nights in a row, drank energy drinks, drank alcohol, and did mushrooms. As you can imagine I am now paying for it. I feel like shit and I'm breaking out like mad! It really sucks. From now on I am going to be more healthy. Pimples and lack of sleep aren't hot. And it feels nice to feel okay.

I met this chick about a year ago, I might have mentioned her before.....I'll just call her Cee. Cee messaged me on Facebook one day saying, "Hey :) I wanna do something tonight but have no one to with :(. Saw your post though and now I'm kinda interested."

I had posted in my college's student page saying there was gonna be a party.

We made plans to go to the party. And she told me about how she had just broken up with her boyfriend a little while back. Except, in this facebook conversation, I brought up sex and talked about it in an awkward way. She got upset and called me a creep. I kinda handled it in the wrong way too, apologizing and stuff. But I told her, "hey let me know if you change your mind about going to the party"

An hour later and she messages me telling me she's changed her mind! She comes over to my house and we're chilling with my roommates. I didn't do much, as you can imagine. We get to the party and she meets some guy and goes and hooks up with him.

If this situation happened now then that guy would have been me. Anyways, after that we don't talk for a bit. We started talking again though, and we have a lot in common. She started chasing me a little. One night on Facebook she messages me while drunk, "Backstory baby can I come over tonight? I like the way you talk" I went off Facebook for a second then go back online and she says, "Oh ok... Turn me on lien fuck then leave me winding long ok." I didn't say anything to this. We stopped talking again.

Stupid mistakes. But uh, now we are volunteering at a music festival together next weekend, which will be the first time we see each other since the party a year ago. She wanted to volunteer with me. We're volunteering for four days.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:28 am

Hello my dearest friends. I have had some interesting interactions with women in the last few days I am going to report on.

Went to the thrift store today and saw the same girl who I had talked about in a recent post. She seemed happy to see me.

We had a good chat and were generally just magnetized towards each other, although I felt it to be kind of awkward and I wasn't the smoothest. I wasn't really sure where she was going with the conversation at some points. My teases weren't the greatest. But she kept talking about how she wanted to see me again soon. Multiple times. I didn't say anything like, "I want to see you again soon too!" Here's a piece of our conversation:

Her: are you on our social media pages?
Me: yes.
Her: I'll have to take a look for you.

If she were to actually look for me on their pages, that would be a lot of investment on her part. But it actually seems like she's interested in talking to me outside the store. I have a feeling my attainability is a little bit low and the relationship is one sided because I haven't offered any investment. What I think I am going to do is add her on Facebook.

Anyways, if we ended up fucking, then I wouldn't be able to go back to the store if things got awkward you know?

I told her I had synesthesia before I left. All she basically knows about me is that I have an interesting style and I got synesthesia. On the way home I couldn't stop thinking about her. That felt kinda dumb, she's just some girl. I forgot about her a few hours later though.

I saw Cee tonight at the music festival. Surprizee!! She brought her mom. Her mom is from out of town and staying at her place... Her mom wasn't with us the whole time we were volunteering, we were able to get away from her.

Conversation is so easy and natural with Cee. I have never had such quality conversations before and just had them feel so natural. I don't even have to think about what I say.

I teased her really well, built a lot of rapport, and did some compliance tests. She was more than willing to do stuff like get me a bagel from the restaurant on her way to meet me at the festival. We touched each other a little bit, but her eye contact was pretty timid until the end of the night when she held eye contact some more. But she wasn't acting in a really interested way. She was acting p l a t o n i c. She did say she was pretty lonely though in general. She has no friends in the city. I feel like this could have been an escalation window. Maybe I missed one of those with the thrift store chick today too.

She brought up the uncalibrated mistake I made from when we first met. I wasn't sure how to handle it. I stayed calm and said "yeah that was two years ago" and then changed the subject. But I'm wondering if there would have been a better way to handle it.

I wasn't sure how to escalate further. I was thinking about kissing her, but I didn't want to make things awkward in case she rejected me (which is a really dumb thought to have) and didn't really know how to escalate further to fucking in public. The thing was that her mom was coming home with her at the end of the night SO I couldn't just invite her home....

Anyways I need to try to figure out what I'm gonna do tomorrow with her when we're volunteering. I'm gonna have to ramp up my sexy vibe and do further compliance tests and more escalation. Chase frames too. I just need to do more research in general.

Unfortunately my voice is sounding really nasally and stuffed for some reason and it doesn't seem very sexy to me.

And my posture needs work again. I can stand straight yes but the last little bit of it where I puff out my chest (in a sense) requires a lot of energy. Ugh.

However, lately I am doing well with my walk and holding my frames. And I'm really slowing down my movements. This is a really good thing.
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Picking up where I left off with Cee. Yesterday I was with her again. We volunteered for 8 hours in the sun, it was exhausting.

My use of sarcasm when teasing her was incredibly well received by her, even more so than other forms of teasing.

I half-failed one of her tests. We were standing at a food vendor and she was getting a smoothie. She saw a guy wearing a yellow submarine costume walking past us advertising a festival dedicated to the beatles. He had pamphlets and she wanted one. She says to me, "Quick! Run and go get one!" as he was disappearing into the crowd. I didn't run, but I walked after him. After about 10 steps I realized I looked like a dog fetching a stick to her so I went back to the food vendor.

Later on, when she finally got a pamphlet, she wanted to put it in her bag because she had no where else to put it. I said no. She bugged me several more times, but I said no each time and then she gave up.

I set a frame where I was telling her I am not a committed person and move around a lot, which probably disqualified me as a long term boyfriend candidate.

I made sure to stand closer than normal to her when we were talking and stuff like that. Most of the time when we were standing, our bodies were touching each other. Also, she said something about her hands hurting and I took her finger in my hand and looked at it.

I was teasing some fat people and she was cool with that.

Nighttime rolled around she was starting to give me looks. We were selling CDs to people, and our supervisor gave us each 20 dollars in change to hold onto. I asked Cee to hold onto my change. She started giving me some resistance so I had to justify it. I started telling her, "I am a very unorganized person and will probably lose it" After I told her this she held onto it for me. I really, really should have turned this flaw or organization into a byronic flaw. Oh well.

All day she was talking about how she had an exam the next morning and she was going to have to go home and study for it right all night after she was done volunteering. A few hours before our shift ended she was complaining about how tired she was. I could have invited her back to my place although she probably would have put up some good resistance. I had to work very early the next day and was also tired so I didn't feel like having any fun. So, nothing ended up happening...

I think I did pretty good though.

What I did good overall: Compliance tests, teasing, random frames, touch, eye contact, maintaining attainability.

What I could have done better at: Sex talk, sexual frames, chase frames, more sexual touch, better tone of voice, moving way quicker, rewarding compliance.

I want to start taking dance lessons.
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Postby fog » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:58 pm

Expanding on my post from earlier...

I feel that the fact that I did not set a strong sexual frame with Cee hindered me from progressing anywhere with her.

There's this girl who works at the college I work at. I see her around sometimes. She is striking to me. She came into the restaurant a few times to order take out but I never said anything to her. Then, one day she was working at the same event I was working at. She opened me and said "Hey I don't think we've met - aren't you backstory?" Went something like that. Anyways, I had heard about this chick before because she was running for a position on the colleges student council. My buddy was running too. I'm in charge of a Facebook page with a lot of my college's students on it. I chose to promote my buddy's campaign, then he was saying that this girl (we'll call her Wave from now on) was upset about that, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, i can't remember.

So Wave opens me and I put some social pressure on her after she introduces herself by saying, "Hey you're the girl who was talking shit about me!" She denied talking shit about me and then asked what program I was in. I wonder if it was a good or bad thing to accuse her of talking shit.

Anyways, seen her a few times when I was working and she said hello first every time. Next time I see her I am most definitely going to build some attraction by teasing her, building intrigue, and fitting in a few compliance tests if there's time. Our encounters are pretty short.

I can see why they call it "Game." Its getting to be fun and I'm starting to treat it like a game.
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Postby fog » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:38 pm

Cee messaged me today saying we should hang out again soon.

does that mean she's interested in me? loool I'm kidding.
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Postby fog » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:42 pm

I hung out with Cee tonight at my place.

We get into my room and sit down on my couch and her body language is great.

Tried kissing her once (although I waited a tad too long to do it). I put my fingers on her chin and turned her head towards me and leaned in - but she didn't want to kiss me. She said something like, "sorry." I acted normal after that.

Tried kissing her a second time later, but she turned her head away and said, "no, no." Acted normal again. I think I know why she didn't want to kiss me though......

After this, she was talking about how she just got out of a terrible relationship. We were talking about marriage and I was talking about how I never want to get married, I just want to make music. I told her I'm not a committed person. I said, "I'm not a committed person and I'm not really interested in relationships." Once I said this, she says "Says the guy who tried me kissing me a half hour ago!" I laughed, looked at her (she looked back at me and then looked down) and we continued talking. She was trying so hard to change my frame by giving really good reasons about why I should get married or be in a relationship. Because getting married/being in a relationship means you will have someone to grow with and stuff. I didn't change my frame and she was in disbelief. She seemed so disappointed.

She views me as a boyfriend candidate because I didn't set a strong enough frame in our interactions in the first place that I'm not looking for a relationship. I thought I did. Reading Chase's articles on boyfriend material stuff gives me a deep insight into why this happened. It makes a lot of sense.

I set a frame tonight about how I think its lame when people fuck and then one of them blabs about what happened to all their friends. She seemed really intrigued by this...she was staring off into the distance in deep thought after I talk about it.

Later we were talking, and I hadn't done any further escalation in a while, Our legs were touching. I put my hand half on her leg, half on mine, like it was kind of incidental. It was just the tiniest bit of escalation, but she immediately become nervous.

Anyways, she wants to hang out again, despite the fact that I was so strong with my frame that I'm not interested in a relationship. There are two roads I can take, I guess.

She said she thinks I'm fascinating. Tomorrow I will make a detailed post about why exactly she views me as a boyfriend candidate. Although, she could probably view me as a friend...her resistance to my relationship frame makes me wonder
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Postby fog » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:52 pm

I know this is not a music journal, however I want to mention that I recently made some huge improvements in my music. My drops are becoming so sickkk. :)

Besides that...I DONT KNOW HOW TO TALK TO WOMEN. what will i ever do!! i kinda know how but I'm not the best yet. the worst thing is that i have not been myself lately. ive been acting really drab and lifeless. the most important thing is to just be myself. it makes things easier. sometimes i am afraid to show people who i really am.

I need to start taking more risks with women, I am the most timid guy....

IM COMPARING MYSELF TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY GOOD.

I fucking haaaate relationships because they throw me into a pit of uncertainty and anxiety. And I am experiencing this right now because I really like Cee. I would much rather be single and not have any feelings for women. It's really impacting the way I talk to her and think about her.

Here's some goals:

Practice having a sexy vibe ALL the time.
Work on my voice (I havent been doing vocal exercises)
Be way more touchy. I want women to be nervous of me.
Boss people around using my frame
Get bitches to qualify to me cuz im so good
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Postby fog » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:05 pm

I'm going to start being more specific in my journal posts.

On friday, Cee and I were texting. I suggested we hang out. I told her I was busy this weekend but I'd make time to fit her in. From now on, I am going to call her Summer.

Saturday morning, she texts me:

Summer: Hey good morning!
Me: SUMMAR
Summer: BECKSTORY
Me: hiiiii :)
Summer: what's good what's your day look like today :)
Summer (one hour later): I just walked to the store to thrift and it says they're open on their fb but the door is locked
Summer (another hour later): BS don't be MIA on me
Me: Come over laterrr
Summer: okok what time is later
Me: Six!
Me: do you have an android or are you one of those people who made a bad decision and bought an iphone?
Summer: iphone yo, plus apple watch, iPad, macbook pro, and a macbook air. apple thru n thru f&a<3
Me: That's some dedication you got going on for bad decisions :O. my charger broke so I'm searching for an android charger</3
Me: I'll see you at 6 though. if you're here and i'm not answering my phone just come in cuz its probably dead -.-
Summer: haha F U, maybe if you weren't so meaaaan i could lend you mine, I have a few from other things that use micro USB
Summer: Haha ok !


Later on closer to 6 I texted her with a simple compliance request:

Me: HEY can you stop at the store and get me some swedish red berries please? i neeeeed some! ill pay you back when i get here.
Summer: ya sure!


But then it was 8PM and she was not here yet...and tbh I was getting pretty tired. I was kinda annoyed she was making me wait. So I said...:

Me: Hey I'm not sure if you were planning on coming still or not but i have to run out and do some errands. Let's hang out another time.
Summer: Really I like just got ready to come!
Summer: It's like 8 on a saturday what errands can you possibly be running that you needed to cancel :/
Summer: Okay well have a good night
Me: I haven't left yet. Want to head over now?
Summer: -.- I just made other plans
Summer: We'll chill another time
Me: Alright


I could have just left it without saying alright. And I didn't actually need to do errands, although I could have because I actually need a new phone charger. I hope I didn't come across as an idiot by saying that. I have mixed feelings about cancelling. On one hand I hope it makes her realize that my time is important to me. On the other hand, I feel as though my attainability is a little bit low with her and I don't want to scare her off. I haven't invested as much as she has. She was obviously thinking about me when she texted me two times about thrift stores and going MIA after I didn't respond. There were some pretty strong emotions the last time we hung out but I didnt even get to kiss her. I don't want her to forget about the chemistry we have.

I'm wondering why she was so late in coming? Maybe she actually took forever to get ready. Or she was fucking some other guy.

I'm gonna get into contact with the thrift store lady to get my mind off summer
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Postby fog » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:42 pm

I have been paying attention to the way guys walk and comparing it to my walk. Some people walk so fucking stupid, I seen this one guy and he was literally bouncing. Some guys walk and don't even have any shoulder/upper body movement.

I would say i use the gunslinger walk and I'm getting good at it. Still practising though. I think I'm gonna have to film myself walking to get it perfect. Sometimes I am way too stiff, I have to remember to be smooth and graceful, yet still powerful. It really helps to feel like you mean business while walking.

You know that article by Hector where he says you should say random stuff like "meow"? I do that now

I told a lady she was getting old today to tease her. You know how you're not supposed to comment on a women's age? I don't give a shit.

My hair is a big problem though, lately I've been wearing a messy style but I don't feel like it's sexy quite yet. I just don't know how to improve on my hair. This is holding me back. I'm growing out the sides so I can do stuff with them.

BTW i am using an underlook a lot.

Summer and I have been texting. Turns out she's going back home for the rest of the summer next Friday. She was saying she's busy with school this week so she can't hang. I persisted and told her we could hang and gave her some reasons why, and then she changed her mind. LAST SUMMER, I got friend zoned REALLY hard by this chick who was lonely and had no friends. Summer is in the exact same boat. She has mentioned several times she is lonely lately and has no one to hang out with. I feel like I messed up and put myself in the friend zone with Summer too..she probably just wants company. Regardless, I am going to treat her like a lover when we hang out this week. Here is a some of our text conversation that involved a chase frame and sexual framing. It starts when she texts and calls me at 1:00AM, a few hours after we cancelled our plans:

Summer (1:00AM): You awake?
Summer (1:00AM): Backstory Backstory Backstory !
Me (9:35AM): haha you messaged me so late! i know you were trying to come over and take advantage of my tiredness so you could get in my pants. You animal!
Summer: No I wasn't! If I wanted that I'm sure I would've got it at the bar.


Was I too direct in this chase frame? Also, why else would she be messaging me so late...? Anyways, after this I didn't continue the frame but just switched to building rapport from the last time we hung out.

Me: this ant behaviour is perplexing me, I haven't seen animals doing something so fascinating in ages. Theres like 50 different answers online.
Summer: **sends link to website**
Me: mmm yeah
Summer: Haha what are you up to today
Me: Making sacrifices to the gods of creativity. what about you my dearest summer?
Summer: Still laying in bed....lol sacrifices?
Me: Sacrifice: something you give up, usually for the sake of a better cause.
Me: I really would have thought you knew that word considering you're a genius
Summer: I do know that word lol I'm just wondering what you're sacrificing
Me: Oh
Me: It's not goats or nothing too crazy like that. Murp
Summer: Virgins
Me: Well I'm not sacrificing you so I guess not ;) not a bad guess though
Summer: Aahah but I'm not a virgin :O
Me: Hmm okay I'll keep that in mind. I feel bad for virgins who actually got sacrificed without having sex. They never got to experience the best thing ever.
Summer: Hahah I definitely don't agree sex is the best thing ever, and especially for a virgin. I'm still laying in bed I actually feel so shit right now.


Later she asks me to hang out that night but I declined. She goes on to say that she likes being with me.

Anyways, she didn't agree with my sexual frame and even changed the subject. I'm annoyed because I'm putting way too much investment into this chick and we haven't even done anything sexual. Although we've only hung out once besides volunteering at the festival.
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Postby fog » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:51 am

i hung out with summer last night. My escalation was smooth and quite natural feeling. As I think about previous escalations, I realize they were quite clunky. I have also experienced hesitation towards kissing girls at my place in the past. I think the hesitance comes from not escalating in a controlled way. How can I expect myself to kiss a girl when I haven't even built up to it with touch?

We cuddled and thats it. there's no need to rush things with her right now as long as I'm constantly moving things forward.

Snapping is a good way to get a girls attention. Sometimes I just snap my fingers a lot habitually. When I am walking behind someone and snap my fingers, they turn around more often than not. It's a great application of the law of least effort

Also, im going to start practising fractionation this week.
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Postby fog » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:00 am

Summer is just super sexually reserved. She likes to cuddle and hold hands but still won't let me kiss her! And it's making me feel stupid as shit. I feel like I am chasing her because she's holding all the power and she won't give me anything till we're in a relationship. We talked a little bit about relationships tonight. I don't know where we stand. I told her why I'm hesitant to be in a relationship.

She's going home tomorrow for a month and I'm glad because I'm done wasting time on her.

I'm gonna go and find some other super cool chicks to hang out with who are into art.

Got an amazing new shirt today from the 70s. Another few special shirts and my wardrobe will be solid.
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Postby fog » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:46 pm

looking back on my last post, i can strongly sense that i was pretty deeply frustrated. even if i didnt feel like it at the time.

Summer and I have continued talking through texting and she's already coming back for a visit next week. We made plans to hang out on Sunday. I've been using a lot of push pull. I heard once you got a chick, its good to use 80% push, and 20% pull. Most of the time lately, I will be giving her my full attention and qualify her on what she says to me. Then, once in a while, I will push by ignoring her or teasing her in such a way that it makes it seem like I don't care about her. Here's some snippets from our conversations:

Me: Hey sorry for not getting back to you
Summer: Watch my snaps but don't reply to my texts eh
Me: You make it sound like you were waiting for me to text you back :)
Summer: Well ya aha


This was after I ignored her for a day and was giving her one word answers. During this time she wouldn't stop texting me. For every text I'd send, she'd send two. If I didn't get back to her in a few hours then she'd text me again. And then when I finally got back to her, I used a chase frame. Is it necessary to use chase frames now that we know we like each other?

Here's an example of a push:

Summer: I'm in town next week, please tell me you're around :)
Me: Depends
Summer: Cmonnn I'll bring my guitar over and we'll make cool sounds
Me: Oh Shit!!! If that's the case then I'm definitely not gonna be in town. I'm going out of the country, sorry :)
Summer: Oh Ok I'll go find someone else to make cool sounds with then :'(
Me: HAHA
Summer: You're mean sometimes :(
Me: I know :) i think we can make and finish a song in the week that you're back.


She hates when I'm mean. There's three rules I've been following:

1. Never text her first
2. End conversations first
3. Let her say the last thing in conversations

How can I make her chase harder? I've been giving her a lot of attention the past few days so I think I'm going to ignore her till Sunday. Should I play these games?

Besides that, I am using ideal affirmations and doing morning journaling. The affirmations are helping a lot. I'm also feeling great lately. My motivation is back and I seem to be acting my usual weird self again.
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Postby Seppuku » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:27 am

Hey Backstory,

I have just read your recent adventures with Cee / Summer and would like to share some thoughts.

It seems that very early on you didn't set the right frames in place. Maybe the fact that you guys met at a music festival (= "fun date")? Or the way you communicated with her that very first time? (I mean this year, not last year). You later on tried to disqualify yourself as a BF but a little clumsy. Franco's answer to your post on the boards was to the point I think. But hey man, we have all been through this, so it's a normal stage in the learning.

However you did many things right, too. She likes you, because she's still around and met you again. It seems you like her too very much. There's nothing wrong in being in relationships, and it's a good learning experience too. Why don't you just try it out? It doesn't have to be strictly monogamous, and you can still try to have some "side action".

There are ways of getting around the "no kiss". It's about making her horny. Touch her all around her body. I had a girl at home last thursday and I touched her waist, her belly, her legs, her tits, her ass, and it all went smoothly without me even kissing her (we couldn't go all the way because her friend was here too, LOL). You can also tease her with the kiss ( I love to do it, too), approach your lips from her, one inch, then smile and go for the neck. Another thing, when you're both isolated together, be close to her, touch, arms around her etc... then suddenly withdraw your attention. All of this creates sexual tension. If you do it right she'll be the one trying to kiss you after that.

Looking at your last post:

backstory wrote:I've been using a lot of push pull. I heard once you got a chick, its good to use 80% push, and 20% pull. Most of the time lately, I will be giving her my full attention and qualify her on what she says to me. Then, once in a while, I will push by ignoring her or teasing her in such a way that it makes it seem like I don't care about her.


Very good!

Here's some snippets from our conversations:

Me: Hey sorry for not getting back to you
Summer: Watch my snaps but don't reply to my texts eh
Me: You make it sound like you were waiting for me to text you back :)
Summer: Well ya aha


This was after I ignored her for a day and was giving her one word answers. During this time she wouldn't stop texting me. For every text I'd send, she'd send two. If I didn't get back to her in a few hours then she'd text me again. And then when I finally got back to her, I used a chase frame. Is it necessary to use chase frames now that we know we like each other?


You've set her to chase you, that's good. And you're being scarce. Never stop to game her, and go on with chase frames.

There's three rules I've been following:

1. Never text her first
2. End conversations first
3. Let her say the last thing in conversations

How can I make her chase harder? I've been giving her a lot of attention the past few days so I think I'm going to ignore her till Sunday. Should I play these games?


I use the same rules. There's a delicate balance to strike, you need to give her a little of what she wants but not all the way, in order to keep her around. And yes, continue gaming her. Even after you eventually are together.

Besides that, I am using ideal affirmations and doing morning journaling. The affirmations are helping a lot. I'm also feeling great lately. My motivation is back and I seem to be acting my usual weird self again.


I really need to try affirmations. "She needs to get fucked by me" is a nice one - but this one I have already internalized, LOL.

To me you seem to have good game. What you need now is to get isolated with her again. It will be difficult I think because of precedents (one "failed escalation"), but not impossible because she's very much into you and you have good game.

OK man, persistence is the key!

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Postby fog » Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:27 am

Hi Seppuku, thanks for your advice. I appreciate it!

I am currently feeling overly attached to Summer and it's really impeding on my interactions with her. I hate it so much and it's actually driving me crazy that these feelings developed so quick. I don't think she feels the same way. In fact, I have a good feeling she thinks things are getting pretty boring - I feel that way too, things seem too platonic. I'm going to focus on making music so I can forget about her. I hope she just stops talking to me, that'd be nice.
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Postby fog » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:28 pm

Hi friends!

Next weekend I will be going back to my hometown for a visit. I know a ton of people in my hometown. It's impossible for me to go anywhere without seeing anyone I know. This will definitely work to my advantage. There's a lot of girls I know in my hometown that I havent seen in years and wouldn't mind hooking up with. The last time I saw them I was definitely just some average guy who had no clue what he was doing. But now I'm a little more confident and could pull some shit off.

I have a pretty big friend list on Facebook too, about 4000 people. So in anticipation of going home, I've been messaging some girls to make plans. One girl is biting pretty hard. Her and I have a little bit of a history. About 5 years ago, we made out at a party, kinda had a thing for a bit, but it died. We kept in touch. The last time I was in my hometown (just about a year ago now), I was trying to make plans to hang out with her, but she kept flaking. Looking back on those conversations, they were awkward as shit, hahahaha. I'm definitely more smooth now.

I messaged her on Facebook calling her cute, saying I was coming to my hometown soon, and asking for her number. Here's some snippets from our text conversation. I already handed her a boyfriend disqualification preceding these examples:

Hope: So are your intentions just to hang out with me backstory?
Me: yes I'm not a serial killer I swear


...

Me: yeah no kidding, I've never dated another guy and dont want to, but for some reason gay guys are obsessed with me. it's annoying.
Hope: cause youre a cutie
Me: youre just saying that so you can get in my pants :)
Hope: But hey you called me cute too
Hope: Does that mean you're trying to get in my pants?
Me: maybe, you'll have to wait and find out


I've never been reverse chase framed like that, so it caught me off guard. I felt the best way was to just be mysterious about it. I've been doing thinking about why she reverse chase framed me like that but can't figure out any reasons why, besides the fact she's interested and intrigued by me. I changed the subject shortly after and she actually got annoyed that I was changing the subject. Also, gay guys are ridiculously attracted to me, but I think I'm not going to bring that up in conversation anymore, it just sets the wrong frame.

Richard gave me some advice on how to tell a sex story, and I was also reading Alek's articles on how to tell a sex story. So last night I told her a detailed sex story. I made it up cuz I'm a virgin:

Me: *Sex story*
Me: Do you have any similar stories?
Hope: Maybe lol
Me: tell me! sex stories are fun :)
Hope: I'm bad at telling stories. :)
Hope: Just gotta experience it with me if ya wanna know so bad :)))


I wasn't sure what that last remark meant. I feel like she was basically saying "let's just fuck and make our own story." I feel like the sexual tension is at it's peak and I don't want it to burst before I get back home. I also don't want to make any mistakes. Everything's going pretty good. I think I'll just ignore her for a while.

Gonna make another post soon detailing how I want to improve on the next 4 months.
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Postby Seppuku » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:32 am

Hey backstory,

Looks very good with this girl.

backstory wrote:
Me: yeah no kidding, I've never dated another guy and dont want to, but for some reason gay guys are obsessed with me. it's annoying.
Hope: cause youre a cutie
Me: youre just saying that so you can get in my pants :)
Hope: But hey you called me cute too
Hope: Does that mean you're trying to get in my pants?
Me: maybe, you'll have to wait and find out


I've never been reverse chase framed like that, so it caught me off guard. I felt the best way was to just be mysterious about it.


Yes, that was the best thing to do. Good job here.

I've been doing thinking about why she reverse chase framed me like that but can't figure out any reasons why, besides the fact she's interested and intrigued by me.


Yes indeed.

I wasn't sure what that last remark meant. I feel like she was basically saying "let's just fuck and make our own story."


That's exactly what she meant. In general, trust your intuition.

To me, this girl looks very much into you and her latest comment on sex story is a massive escalation window. You have to exploit it as soon as practically possible before it vanishes. The caveat to be aware: just because a girl invites you to approach her (as is the case here) doesn't mean she'll make it easy for you. You will still have to go through her ASD, care about plausible deniability, and escalate her like a boss. She wants to submit but cannot just make it easy. The approach invitation is just the start, you still need to conquer her. So when you meet her, make sure you have a plan to take her to an intimate place.

By the way I want to ask. You mention "I made it up cuz I'm a virgin". In the past year since you started writing this journal, did you lose your virginity? You described several experiences where you went pretty intimate with girls, but I just wonder if you went all the way.

Looking at your journal it seems you are doing many things right, in texting and building tension for instance. I know also that girls have an intuitive sense ("detector") to tell them which guys actually get laid a lot, and which don't. Once you lose it (if not already) your results should skyrocket.

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Postby fog » Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:05 pm

Hi Seppuku,

I haven't lost my virginity yet. I'm ready to lose it now and just want to get it over with so I can keep improving. There's only so far I am going to be able to go before I hit a wall because of my lack of sexual experience. I've heard a lot about the "detector" you mentioned. I have a feeling it was painfully obvious to the girls I've been with in the past that I don't get laid. I can't wait to get so good with girls that they just sense i'm good with women.

The fact you think my results will skyrocket once I lose it is encouraging to me. I'm planning to fuck sooo many women to make up for all the years I haven't been having sex.

I hope that this escalation window she has given me won't close before I can get into town and make a move on her. Last night she was talking to me saying things like "I'm horny" and "I want sex all the time and I can't get enough." I told her I liked that she was so honest about that with me! As we talked further, she was putting up a bit of resistance saying that she doesn't have sex when she's not in relationships because she gets feelings too easily. I handled the resistance pretty good in my opinion. You're right, Seppuku, this is going to be a challenge for me.
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Postby Seppuku » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:46 am

Just want to comment on this for now:

backstory wrote:As we talked further, she was putting up a bit of resistance saying that she doesn't have sex when she's not in relationships because she gets feelings too easily.


Girls are innate champions at this. They do it intuitively, without thinking, when we really have to learn that stuff. She's doing two things here. 1. "I am not that kind of woman" - building her ASD and rationalizing about her horniness. 2. "Sex only in relationships" - and framing you for a relationship.

Good to know what she is doing, and best to ignore and move forward. Disqualify yourself early on as BF, isolate her, and escalate.

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Postby fog » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:42 pm

This post is going to be dedicated to some of my recent improvements, strategies I have been developing, and some goals I have for the next 4 months. I'm aiming to improve in all aspects of my life, but of course my main two focal points will be seduction and music. Right now I'm sober, eating healthy, sleeping well, exercising, and otherwise in good health and this is going to be critical for continuing to develop the mindset I need to succeed.

My posture while standing up straight is excellent, however I noticed that my posture was poor while sitting down. At first it was hard as shit and actually hurt and was uncomfortable. As a result of this, I made a plan to do it in chunks. One day I sat up straight for 5 minutes, then I'd just keep doing it longer and longer everyday. And now it doesn't even hurt and it's automatic. I don't even have to think about sitting with proper posture, it just happens. I'm happy I achieved this goal and it's really going to help with looking dominant whatever I do. I bet it was a bit incongruent to people when they would see me standing so straight, then slumping while sitting down. Not anymore though.

I've mentioned that I have synesthesia and part of it is that I can sense colour off of people's vibes. The majority of people I talk to about this are intrigued by this. When I tell women about it, they start asking me questions like crazy about it, asking what their colour is and otherwise trying to figure it out. I used to answer these questions straight up. But recently I've been more mysterious about it and not directly answering questions about it. I realize that this is going to be an incredible way for me to build intrigue. I'm thinking about introducing this early on in my conversations, and having it be one of the only things girls know about me.

I've struggled with having cool hair for the longest time. I could never figure out what to do with my hair. I got it all figured out. :) Lately I've been wearing it semi long and super messy. Kind of like bedhead. It looks pretty good and I feel like it fits me. I've had a few older women say they like it, but I'm not sure what the younger chicks think. I'm going to continue growing it out.

I bought a really cool button up shirt from the 70s a few weeks ago. I got it tailored and it fits so good, even better than all my other clothes I got tailored! I look great in it. It might take a while but I can't wait to build up my wardrobe with sick shirts that fit really well like this one I already have a really cool style (in my opinion), but not everything fits the greatest...I think my problem was that I was getting clothes tailored that didn't even have a chance of fitting well in the first place.

I have a little bit of experience under my belt now I feel like, so I actually know what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong. This is immensely helpful to me, obviously... I can really tell what state my attainability is in. Here's some goals I have for the coming months:

1. Grab girl's asses
2. Tell more sex stories and get better at talking about sex in general
3. Use chase frames in person (I've been using a lot over text, but not in person)
4. Use cold reads more often
5. Continue to work on setting frames properly
6. Work on these facial expressions: the skeptical look, the exasperated look, the cocky look, the "okaaay...." look, and the clueless look. I just want to be able to convey whatever I want without saying words.
7. Start going to the gym.
8. Be more dominant

Lately when I set goals, I have an all or nothing attitude about it. This is detrimental to me. For example, take my goal of sitting up straight. When I first started, I felt like I had to sit up straight all the time, which was overwhelming and unrealistic. It was better to gradually build up to sitting straight all the time so it wasn't such a shock to my back after having poor sitting posture for years. I will keep this in mind when setting more goals.

There's a lot more to talk about but that's about it for now. Probably going to have a nap and then make some music.
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Postby fog » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:39 pm

I am currently back in my hometown staying at my parent's place.

My best friend who lives here is very good at sexual joking. I on the other hand, am not, so I am going to make a note to improve in that area and learn from him.

I like coming home because my friends and family are quick to note any changes in my appearance since the last time they saw me. My mom thinks my hair is different looking, but she says it would look more flattering if it was an inch shorter. My best friend on the other hand made these comments: "It looks like a tasmanian devil whipped through your hair" "its really in your face, like boom look at me now!" "it looks like you stuck your head out of a car window." He told me he loved it. I like it yes, but I am getting kind of worried about my image. My hair is wild and out of control, and I wear really bright attention grabbing clothing. So what are people going to think when they see me? They will think I'm some crazy, high energy, maybe even weird, guy. However, I sure am a tad weird, but I am most definitely not crazy or high energy. I consider myself an introvert and am calm and quiet. I don't want this to cause an incongruency in what people are expecting from me, so maybe I will have to adjust my behaviour a little bit. Either way, the fact that I look a little wild would definitely help if I were to start being really unpredictable (which women love).

Went to the bar last night, I was quite drunk. I talked to a few chicks but never got past the hook point with any of them. When I get drunk, I lose control of my facial expressions, so I feel like this definitely played a role in the lack of interest. I probably mentioned this, but I'm realizing that non verbals are so important. The bar is definitely a great place to get some experience, but either way I'm going to be working hard on them the next two weeks. I am currently practising the skeptical look.

Also, sometimes I walk normally, but now I'm going to push myself to walk sexy everywhere I go for a whole week. You know, I see people walking around and it looks like they are expending so much effort just to walk! That is not attractive at all.

No real girls to talk about, I haven't heard from Summer. Hope is acting pretty cold towards me when I text her. Been trying to set some things up with a few other chicks, although theres nothing interesting to report on yet. This week I'm going to be hanging out with this one chick I've known for ages. We used to have a crush on each other (nothing ever came of it) and kissed a few times (shes a terrible kisser, the worst ever...uggh). We text a lot actually, but it's mostly just friendly conversation. When we hang out I'm really gonna turn up the heat and see what happens. I'll report back on that later.

I've been really horny (Friday especially) and I know girls can sense it. On Friday, I caught girls looking at me everywhere I went.

When you just have a thought in your head, it's not really solidified in your reality and you don't really realize the full implication of it. Obviously this is why journalling can be really good to help you realize things. On the other hand, this is why chase framing is so important. It really helps the chick realize she wants you and solidifies it in her reality. I hope that makes sense.

I need a mentor!!!
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Postby fog » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:08 pm

I spent Friday and Saturday night at the bar. This was valuable experience for me as I gained a ton of reference points. A lot of things I did well, but there were also a lot of mistakes I made. I was feeling bold.

Last night I grabbed 3 girl's asses. I really should have looked all three girls in the eye after doing this but I didn't do that! Two of the reactions were neutral, and took place after I was done dancing with them. The other one said, "my ass is not up for grabs." in a semi-serious way. (we were just talking). I want to do this during the daytime too. Is there anybody on the boards that does that? I know Hector does that but its pretty calibrated.

Another thing I did great at all weekend was touch (in general). In the past I have felt a little bit reserved about this. My thoughts were, "it's gonna be weird and seem awkward if I randomly touch her like this at this point in the conversation." But I've found it doesn't even matter..I was touching every girl I talked to consistently and I didn't get any bad reactions. Random shoulder/arm touches and grabs are not a big deal at all. I was sitting down and talking to this one girl I hadn't seen in a while. We were talking about how she has been finding it difficult to get a job. I didn't even realize it but my finger drawing shapes on her upper legs. When I realized it I was kind of surprised that she was letting me do that. It just seems like something girls would be uncomfortable with if it was just randomly happening. I pushed it a little further and rested my hand on her leg. Lately I've noticed I've been pushing myself ever so slightly. It feels good to do this and be outside of my comfort zone, cuz I'm doing things I never thought I would do.

It was a goal of mine to transition from using chase frames through text, to using them in person. I accomplished that this weekend. I'll be honest, my use of them was pretty clunky. My problem was that the majority of the time I didn't use the correct tone of voice or facial expressions. And the actual words I used were sort of weird, a little too direct and could have been better suited to the conversation at hand. Probably made myself look like an idiot but at least I know what I was doing wrong. Reactions to my chase frames were mostly expressions of disinterest.

I used the skeptical look a lot this weekend. A lot of opportunities came up to use it. Except there was this one time I neglected to use it. This one girl said to me, "shut your mouth zach." All I did was raise my eyebrows at her. It was just automatic. That's what I seem to do a lot in those kind of situations. However, using a skeptical or bored look would have been better. I saw this good looking guy at the bar last night and he was talking to this girl. I saw him use a few facial expressions and they were so good and powerful!

I was pre gaming at my friends house, there were a good amount of chicks there. My buddy told me about this one chick there. He said she got married in exchange for a car, then got divorced. Something like that. So I went up to her and this was the conversation:

Backstory: I heard a rumor about you and I wanna know if it's true.
Girl: What is it?
Backstory: Wait, first...what's your name?
Girl: Haha! Good luck!


And after saying that, she walked away from me. I found it was so weird. My buddy saw it happen and talked to her friend about it. He said that she said that this girl is usually very friendly and never a bitch or anything....he was confused. I have a potential explanation for it. I've been practicing my sexual vibe and wearing a really mischevious/sexy smile. So this lady most likely knew right away what she was getting herself into and probably thought I was a player. but she wasn't interested so she just shut me down. Plus the whole rumor comment could have been received as sexual in nature by her. Anyways, this is powerful to me. If girls know right away what they can expect from me, then it's going to save me a lot of time. There's not going to be any beating around the bush trying to figure out if a girl is into me or not. They're either gonna reject me straight away or they're gonna hang around.

My friend and I made a silly bet that if I hooked up with his ex, he'd give me 200$. I wouldn't doubt it if he told her about that. No biggie, I'm not planning for it to happen. A totally different chick in our friend group came over to my friend's place. And she starts talking to me saying "Why did you make a bet that you could fuck me for 200$" or something like that. I made a mistake by telling her that the bet was for a different girl, not her. By doing this, I defused a fuckload of sexual tension. I messed up even further after. She started saying we were just friends. I said to her, "I'm not your friend." There really could have been a better way to handle this. I could have grabbed her ass and said "Do friends do this?" or I could have just flashed her a naughty look.

These two chicks I've known for a while came to my friend's house last night but they were just standing around at the front door with their shoes. They weren't sure if they wanted to stay or not. I went and sat on the couch and said to one of the chicks "Hey come sit on the couch with me." So she comes and sits on the couch with me and she was sitting right beside me, our legs were touching. She was really aggressive, I guess she was pissed off (or maybe just horny). We were talking with the other people in the room and the conversation in general was sexually charged, especially between me and her. I was chase framing her a little bit and there was lots of touch. She left the house, and came back a half hour later. She had to change for the bar. But she just wasn't all that interested in me. Later I was sitting next to her on the couch and I tried talking to me. But she was more interested in her cell phone. I started talking to her about fucking celebrities but it was a little awkward, I could have brought up the sex talk better.

I approached an older lady at the bar. She started asking how old I was. I said "Old enough." I tried deep diving her but she insisted on me telling her my age. I told her my age, then she says she's 34. She said that shes way too old for me. I said "Age isn't a problem for me" That was my first time handling an age objection, and it was awkward and lame! I'm gonna read some articles on how to deal with that.

Overall, a pretty good weekend like I said. Unfortunately my conversations were pretty dry. I just couldn't have a good conversation this weekend. I didn't know what to say! Made it tough to talk to the girls I approached at the bar.

Summer and I are talking again. I thought she had gone into auto rejection, but I guess not. I forget if I had talked about it or not, but she was being rude and distant towards me through text. After that, we didn't talk for a while. I was kind of hurt to be honest, but I'm really glad I didn't chase. Here's what she said to me recently:

summer: hi backstory. i kinda miss you in my life. idk ur just really cool and i thought we got along but then idk where you wandered to. why don't you ever answer me anymore? it makes me feel sad


This kinda made me mad. Cuz she was acting like it was MY FAULT we stopped talking. oh well, whatever. Seppuku says making the guy take responsibility is a speciality of women. It's just an excuse for her to start talking to me again. Now shes saying this:

summer: when you get back you should come over :) i wanna show you my place. I got netflix and we can chill


lol nice. that's a pretty good escalation window to take advantage of. I'm definitely interested in dating her. I view this as a second chance for me to step up and make some things happen. I need to be more aggressive and assertive. I'm not heading back till next weekend so I'm just gonna keep her on the back burner till then.
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Postby fog » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:55 am

I'm feeling confused right now. Tonight I was at the bar. It was close to closing time. This weekend was a tiring one for me and I was hungover as hell today. I went and sat down on a couch. On the couch next to me, there were two native chicks. I didn't bother opening them, I just wanted to chill. The one girl who was closest to me was looking at me and acting really pumped up by the music. She was actually fist pumping a little lol, then she started encouraging me to do the same. So I took her hand in mine and we were throwing our hands up in the air. Then we stood up and were jumping around. She says, "lets go out to the dance floor." I said "Okay" She says "I'm following you." So we go out to the dance floor. I couldn't establish a rhythm. The DJ was shitty as hell and this chick was doing some weird moves that I couldn't get into. During this time we're looking at each other and she's doing this thing where she raises her eyebrows at me really quickly a few times. There was some sexual tension built because i got really close to her face.

So then we get off the dance floor and the lights come on. We're talking a little bit, and theres a lot of touch going on between me and her. My friend starts talking to the other chick my girl is with. It turns out that this is her sister. I'll call my girl Karly and her sister Holly. My friends name is Dan.

The bouncers kick us out cuz its waaay past two. We're all standing outside just talking. I was talking to Dan about what was going to happen. He said he didnt think that Holly was interested in him, but he was willing to let us all come back to his place if we could get both the girls to come. I did not want to bring Karly to my parents place.

Sooo several times I'm saying to Karly, "hey wanna come back to my place and we can talk some more?" or "Hey wanna come back to my place and we can drink some more!?" But she wasn't really biting. It was cold out. I know I just said I didn't wanna bring her back to my parents place but I was down to do it, kinda, just to be risky.

Dan lives super close to the bar we were at so we ended up convincing both girls to come back to his place. We get to his place and it's just us 4, and we're drinking some more. Karly and I are sitting on one couch, and Dan and Holly are sitting on the other couch. At this point Karly and I are still touching each other. I put her hand on my thigh and shes rubbing it. She leans in and kisses me a little bit. Dan was really sure that Holly didn't want him, but he's got his arm around her.

At this point I'm a little anxious because I know that I should have made a move and isolated her by now, but it hasn't happened yet. I was expecting Dan and Holly to go into Dan's room so that me and Karly could be alone in the living room, but that didn't happen.

Karly needs to look in her purse for something, so we go into the bathroom where there's some light. She starts asking, "are we just friends now?" I said "no we're not friends." She leaves the bathroom and she starts becoming a little bit distant from me. She's just chilling in the bathroom hallway. She says, "we should be best friends." I don't remember what I said. But I persisted a little bit with my touch and we were making out in the bathroom hallway and I was grabbing her ass and rubbing my hands all over her body. She was into it but then she went back into the living room.

This happened a few more times, where she would start ignoring me and being really distant, then we would start touching me again. By this point I was confused as hell! Was I unattainable or too attainable?

Long story short, Dan went into his room with Holly. Karly and I were sitting on the couch in the living room. She was acting really shy and weird. Like she had a blanket over her head. She was sitting on the couch with me, but she wasn't sitting next to me like before. Then she moved all the way to the other side of the couch. We weren't even saying anything to each other. She would look at me every so often. When I looked at her, she would raise her eyebrows a million times like she was doing earlier. She said two things. The first thing I didn't understand. It was.. "Everything is so new and different." Then later she said "Omg this is so awkward." I tried deep diving her but she wouldn't reply at all, and then I knew my goose was cooked!

I was trying to turn off the TV and was kneeling on the ground. And she came up to me and stood behind me and her legs were touching my shoulders. This could have been my last chance but I didn't do anything. Shortly after, she left.....

I don't know where I went wrong! I have a feeling that because I didn't move quick enough, she started to get second thoughts about what was going on and went into auto rejection. Or maybe I didn't build enough comfort? Can anyone offer some advice?

I'll post more about my weekend tomorrow, it's nearly 6AM here and just wanted to get this off my head.
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Postby fog » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:21 pm

I'm a little mad at myself for the failed escalation that happened last night. I can't figure out where I went wrong and it's driving me insane. I know in the future when I get more experience, the answer will likely reveal itself to me.

I accomplished my goal of practicing a manly walk for a whole week straight. I've been practising it so much since then, it's basically become second nature to me to walk like that. I don't even have to think about it anymore, it's great! Last night I was at my friend's house for pre drinks before we were going to the bar and I was walking around in the house. Later, my friend, August and I are talking and she says this:

August: Backstory I was talking to everyone earlier about how you have such a big ego
Me: Haha why do you say that?
August: I saw you walking and you were really strutting your stuff. I love it!


I love comments like this because it makes me realize that yes, what I'm practicing is working and people are noticing.

Later on last night, we were at the bar. My friend started talking to this one girl, so I opened her friend by being cocky funny. Her name is Angela:

Backstory: Hey, I like your eyebrows!
Angela: Thanks.
Backstory: They're the fourth best eyebrows I've seen tonight. :)
Angela: ....
Angela: (Huge grin on her face) Are you making fun of me?
Backstory: (Shrugs) I dunno!
Angela: My eyebrows are pencilled on!


I was touching her eyebrows to see if they were real or not and I think that made her a tad uncomfortable. She was laughing a lot though. She ended up running off but I saw her again later in the night and opened her again. When you come into the bar, they give you a stamp on your wrist, except she had gotten two stamps on her cleavage. I said,

Backstory: Hey are those hickeys?
Angela: No they're stamps

I started touching her cleavage and then we stopped talking again. So then I saw her a final third time, but this was were I screwed things up. I was standing near the dance floor and she came up behind me and put her arms around me. I reached behind my back to put my arms on her thighs, except I knocked her beer out of her hand and spilled it all over her. She got pissed and ran off, I did not see her again after that. If I hadn't spilled the beer on her, I was gonna be in a good position to have something happen between me and her. Oh well.

Friday night was a good night as well except I got ridiculously drunk and this was the ultimate reason why I was not able to pull any chicks home that night. I was at my friends house again for predrinks. This one girl showed up called Annie and we were sitting on the couch together. Our legs were touching. When we were talking, she would mirror my facial expressions. Both good signs. Later on in the night, I was talking to a different chick on the couch. She was married, but I was being touchy with her anyways and I was deep diving her. It was a really good conversation. Annie comes into the room and sees this happening. She came over and slapped my hand and said "Hey what are you doing" with kind of a jealous look on her face. Preselection works wonders! I quit talking to the other chick and held her hand for a good 20 seconds.

So we get to the bar and by this time I'm just completely wasted. Annie actually grabs my hand and pulls me onto the dance floor to dance with her. Except I couldn't get a good rhythm going. This seems to be a recurring problem. So we stop dancing. After this, every single time I would see Annie, I would not do anything. I wasn't leading and I wasn't being dominant. If I had been doing those things then I could have pulled something off. Needless to say she went and talked to some other guy and went home with him. The next night I saw her at the bar again and went up to talk to her, but she brushed me off. I was totally expecting that though.

That pretty well sums up my whole entire weekend. I saw my ex at the bar and sucked on her tit in the middle of the crowd, I have no idea how that even came about. I thought that was hilarious.

And also, I got a haircut and it's looking way better than before.

What I did good: Touch, use of facial expressions, pushed myself to open random girls, used the triangle gaze. Screened for logistics (asking who are you with, where do you live, etc), and used a purr in my voice.
What I did bad: Didn't close anything properly, at some points I was not leading and not being dominant, my conversations were rather poor. My eye contact could have been more sharp

Goals for this week: Learn the clueless look, continue to use chase frames in person and practice delivering them properly. Work on eye contact (it's pretty good, but needs sharpening.)
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Seppuku » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:18 am

Hey backstory,

I just read about Karly and want to give you my take on it.

At this point I'm a little anxious because I know that I should have made a move and isolated her by now, but it hasn't happened yet.

Not sure how long you stayed on this couch before she broke off to the restrooms, but I suspect a little bit of time. I think you were very good at building sexual tension with her, prior that. The peak of the tension is you boys taking them to a private place. Her expectation is also now at a peak... And instead of making things happen, you stay on this couch and become anxious. She feels it. Seems to her that you don't know what you're doing... and incongruent with your previous self. It conflicts with the image she had built about you. She's now like "we should be best friends.", escalation window closed, game over.

The higher her excitement and sexual tension, the shorter the escalation window. The more you look like the Lover guy, the higher her expectations, and the less margin of error allowed.

You should have taken her to bed before this "anxiety" builds up. Remember, she's acutely aware of how comfortable you are. All the rest was very good. You're getting there, just need to debug the final phase of seduction.

Cheers,
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:32 pm

Daammn Seppuku thats a good response as to why this was a failed escalation. Everything you say always makes so much sense! One of my main goals moving forward will be moving quicker with women.

I found out something about Karly that I didn't know at the time. She has a boyfriend. Holly told Dan the morning after. So that also definitely played a part in how the night turned out. The longer I waited, the more time she had to think about the situation and reconsider cheating on him.

Yes, Dan fucked Holly and he says it was rather boring.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Seppuku » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:26 am

backstory wrote:Daammn Seppuku thats a good response as to why this was a failed escalation. Everything you say always makes so much sense! One of my main goals moving forward will be moving quicker with women.

You did a good job growing her expectation of it, but somewhat she ended up disappointed when you hesitated to take action. Emotion gone, deal abruptly off.

I found out something about Karly that I didn't know at the time. She has a boyfriend. Holly told Dan the morning after. So that also definitely played a part in how the night turned out. The longer I waited, the more time she had to think about the situation and reconsider cheating on him.

She was letting you taking her to bed without mentioning him. She would have fucked with you, with no second thoughts about him. Yes, he probably returned to her mind, but only after the emotion was gone and she started rationalizing about not doing it.

I had a few cases like this, where the girl already had a boyfriend but "forgot" telling me about him, and happily let me fuck her. Haha. Makes you think, really! But it makes sense. The girls are, first and foremost, sexual creatures. Their loyalty goes to the strongest male, and there could be a stronger one around the corner anytime. That's also why you can never relax afford in a relationship and show your weaknesses to her.

Yes, Dan fucked Holly and he says it was rather boring.

Interesting, right? And he thought she was not much into him. Another food for thought.

Overall, a very interesting experience. Don't beat yourself up about it. You're doing it right 95pct of the way, congrats for that! Even with more experience, we still sometimes fail in the remaining 5pct. I'm looking forward to your first LR, and I guess that's very soon.

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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:59 am

Hello my friends,

The past few days I have missed a few escalation windows. I didn't even realize they were escalation windows until after the fact.

I borrowed a field recorder from my school's library and was walking around with it, recording my school's atmosphere. It was in the evening. That night there was some sort of event going on at my school. It hadn't started yet so there was a huge lineup outside the room it was taking place in. I was walking through the lineup and these girls were in my way. Here's what was said:

backstory: excuse me
girl: oh, sorry!
backstory: *walking past her*
girl: *pats me on the back once* have a good night.
backstory: *turns around* you have a good night too.


This would have been a perfect opportunity to talk to her some more, but I walked away.

Every day this week I have been getting compliments on my clothing style, even from random strangers on the street. My classmates are noticing as well. The past few days I have been sitting at the back of class, not introducing myself to anyone. I haven't been feeling too friendly. However yesterday I sat in front of two girls. The one girl, a redhead, immediately opened me saying "I love the shirts you wear! They're awesome." I chatted a little bit with the two girls, except it was mostly boring conversation with average eye contact on my part. I am NOT happy about this.

I'm going to make some moves on the redhead. My plan is to sit beside her in class today and have a deeper, more interesting chat with her with great eye contact. Then on Monday I'll get her number.

I'm going to some parties this weekend. I'll be posting about them later.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:45 am

I really impressed myself tonight, but am also quite disappointed in myself.....

I went to a party and it was great! I knew a lot of people, but there were also some people I didn't know. I started off by talking to some guys, then eventually transitioned into talking to girls. When I started talking to girls, I was being cocky-funny, and it was having a good effect. I was really feeling the social momentum. I'd say I had conversations with 4-5 girls. I can't remember (although I should). From this I got two numbers. Here's the conversations:

backstory: put your number in my phone.
girl: why?
backstory: cuz youre a cool girl!
girl: just add me on Facebook
backstory: i dont have Facebook, i deleted it a long time ago
girl: Okay. *adds number into my phone*


This was a mistake - She doesn't know what I want from her now. Saying that she was a cool girl was super wishy washy. I found out after the fact that she has a boyfriend. Probably won't end up texting her, but it's worth a try.

The other girl who's number I got, I didn't even have to finish my sentence. I said "Hey give me...." while handing her my phone and she says "Sure!" and puts it in. Body language played a part here. I'm not really too sure how to text girls the day after giving them my number, so I'll have to do some research on that.

I want to mention that nearly everyone I talked to tonight complimented me on my sense of style, even random people. It feels good yeah. The thing that is the coolest is that even really good looking guys were telling me they loved my style.

So here's the part where I'm disappointed. I was standing around in a group and there was this one chick who would not stop staring at me and she would consistently raise her eyebrows at me. She was into me and we were flirting really hard. She's sitting on this chair and I was thinking about asking her to come outside with me. But there was this nagging voice in the back of my head...I was thinking "No it's too big a move, shes probably not ready yet, it's gonna be awkward" I thought this because I hadn't really touched her yet, even though we were into each other. She was always on different chairs than me... So ultimately in my opinion, things went downhill from there.

I went downstairs, then came back up and she's sitting on the couch. My friend is on one side of her, and her friends are on the other side. I tell my friend and her to make some space so I can sit beside her. Our legs are touching and I periodically rub her leg a little bit with my hand. Her friends are talking about going home. I didn't know what to do! I was wimping out! A part of me didn't want to hook up with her. So when her friends are talking about going home, I'm practically ignoring this chick, and I can sense the awkwardness and uncomfortableness creeping in. She was waiting for me to say something. That's when I knew it was done. She left with her friends. I bet she's pissed at me!!!! I didn't know what to say while sitting on the couch with her and her friends so that we could push things further. Yeah, I'm pretty pissed at myself. I coulda gone home with her but I didn't because I'm scared of losing my virginity and I wasn't sure if I wanted to lose it to her. Next time, I will just have to push myself and ignore this voice in my head.

Used the skeptical look a few times tonight and it worked SO GOOD!!!! I just need to get better at my facial expressions, I feel they were off most of the time because I couldn't stop grinning like a mad man.

On a separate note, I made some comment to a girl saying "Your pants won't be on later." The whole interaction was a little uncalibrated to begin with. She was following me down a flight of 6 stairs and I said to her "Why are you following me!???" She denied it. When we got to the bottom of the stairs, I said, "come up here with me" She asked "why?" but I just motioned her to follow me. We were bantering, and then I made the pants comment. Well later the owner of the house comes up to me and says, "Hey there's some girls who told me that you've been making them uncomfortable. If you do that again then I'm going to have to kick you out." I had a good laugh at that, but erred on the side of caution the rest of the night. I don't want to get kicked out from that place because it's a popular spot where my friends hang out. When he said that to me, I was confused. All I was doing all night was teasing and touching (in a barely sexual way). Then my friend told me that the girl who I made the pants comment to, was the one who felt uncomfortable by it. In my opinion, it's good that a girl (or some girls) are uncomfortable by the way that I'm acting. If I don't get in girls faces, and touch them, and make sexual comments, then I'm not going to get laid. The girls who aren't into me won't like that stuff, but the girls who do will love it.

What are my goals for next time? I need to keep doing what I'm doing, it's working pretty good. But I need to focus on my facial expressions. Also, I gotta push myself when it comes to inviting girls home. And, as well, I can't ignore my instincts. I should have isolated that girl when my gut told me to. One of my other goals is to number close a lot more and figure out what to text girls the day after. I also noticed that during the day when I'm sober, I touch girls with the back of my hand. I need to switch this and start touching them with the palm of my hand.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:23 pm

Last night I had conversations with 7 girls. From this I asked two of them for their number, saying that we should hang out. They both complied. However today I am looking at my phone and seeing that the one girl only put in her name, and not her number. I'm laughing a little bit at that. I'm not feeling any pressure asking girls for their number, so I think that a proper goal would be to ask for the number of every girl I have a conversation with.

I was talking to this one girl and she was pretty unreactive to begin with. We were talking and holding good eye contact but she could care less about me. Then I started teasing her too much and she looked to the side and her interest started waning. I knew it was the result of my teasing and she started going into auto rejection. I knew that I was becoming unattainable. It's good that I understand this but I was also a little confused. I wasn't sure where to take the conversation next so that I could pull her out of auto rejection. Obviously I needed to quit the teasing but I think I needed to start getting to really know her in order to do this. I can easily recognize where my attainability lies, but tailoring my conversations around it at lightning speed and adapting to the situation at hand is something I am looking forward to working on.

I continued using cocky-funny lines last night. To one brazillian I said, "You're pretty cute....for a brazillian." She said "Thanks!" Then moments later she says "Wait are you saying that all brazillians are ugly?" I shrugged and changed the subject. Is it better to address these questions and joke around some more? The cops kicked us out of where we were so we were walking around. I gave her my number and invited her and her friend to come back to my place to drink some more. She said she had to go home and change first, which was an obvious no to me.

All of my openers were indirect. I am going to start using direct openers. Girls don't realize my intentions because of my indirect openers and I don't like that.

Towards the end of the night I went to a quieter party. I talked to one girl but my energy levels were way off compared to hers. I was a little bit hyper and on edge, and she was totally relaxed. After a few minutes I could sense her going into auto-rejection. Her body language just got more and more closed off. I think if I was a little bit more relaxed then this would have gone better. In general I needed to be more relaxed. This weekend girls were asking how drunk I was/what kind of drugs I was on. I only had one beer and a few sips of wine the entire weekend and was completely sober.. I guess you could say I was being quite expressive especially in my vocal tonality and volume.

All the girls were willing to hold solid eye contact with me and their attention was 100% focussed on me. It was like we were in a little bubble. But at the same time, I felt like they didn't have an interest in me. They were not very emotional at all. I felt like they wouldn't be disappointed if I were to just walk off and talk to someone else. Maybe they were attracted, but I didn't build enough of a good connection and didn't display my interest correctly. Part of me ask thinks I didn't offer any value to them. Also, I didn't move any of the girls. I considered it, but in my head I was wondering what I would say..? "Hey let's go walk around the party?" or something like that? There was no where to sit or anything!

I feel like there is something wrong with my conversations but I'm not sure what. I was doing most of the talking last night and feel that I didn't reach a hook point with a lot of the girls.

I wish I was able to put my thoughts together in a way that made sense to me and I could figure out what I was doing wrong. Since I'm not sure I'm just going to try out the direct openers next time and see how girls react differently.

My touch was good, I am starting to touch girls for longer. For example I now put my hand on a girls shoulder and just leave it there. Now what I need to do is use more riskier touching consistently.

Soooo to recap: I need to calibrate my energy levels, start using direct openers, ask for a lot more phone numbers, invite more girls back to my place, improve my touch more, move girls around (even if it's just to walk around or do something stupid like that), and work on being flexible on improving my attainability.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:14 pm

This is a report on my recent improvements.

I've been putting a lot of work into my facial expressions. I've been spending time practising new facial expressions, and I'm also putting in an effort to overall just be more facially expressive in my interactions. I was struggling with the "I know you want me" look for a long time. I wasn't sure whether I was pulling it off correctly, but now I got it down. I can't seem to figure out the sexy pouty look quite yet though. I'm going to start using bedroom eyes and seductive looks on girls a lot more often and observe their reactions. Today I used a seductive look on a girl in my class, and she started mimicking my facial expression. This is not a girl who uses a lot of facial expressions. Summer wasn't very facially expressive either, but when I would use seductive looks, she would mimic them as well. Why would they not use facial expressions when talking to me (or in general with other people) but as soon as I pull out the bedroom eyes, they copy that? I think it might be totally unconscious on their part as well as a sign of attraction. Can't wait to experiment.

One of my goals was to start touching women with my palm instead of the back of my hand during the day when I'm sober, and I have been doing that. My next goal in terms of touching is to squeeze arms. Another goal of mine is to get women to feel comfortable with touching me. Today in class I was in a group of 3 (one other guy, one other girl) working on a project. I was sitting pretty close to the girl. Lately I've been getting into close proximity with girls, I'm going to sit/stand/be as close to them as they let me. In this case, this girl was touching me a lot and seemed to be actively making opportunities for herself to touch me. At one point our legs were touching and it might have seemed like accidental touch to her, but really I just set myself up in a position that our legs were going to be touching. It's tough to explain. I noticed in the past that leg touching is a great sign. From now on I'll call this "touch flirting." Yeah, sooo..... I'm gonna try to set up vibes/moods/environments with girls that will allow them to touch me freely. Idk how I'm gonna do this.

When I'm wearing nice clothing, my hair is perfect, and my other fundamentals are solid, I feel sexy. I feel like girls are way more receptive and warm when my fundamentals are at their best. If any one of my fundamentals is off, I start feeling like girls don't even care about me. I'm not sure whether this is an illusion of my own perception or whether this is actually true in reality. Either way, I need to get in the habit of feeling sexy even when I'm not at my absolute very best.

I'd say my 90% of my tangible fundamentals are nearly, if not already, at an intermediate level. My clothing fits well and stands out, now i just need to focus on layering. I can consistently use purr in my voice, now I just need to work on making my voice deeper. My facial expressions are good, I just need to use them at appropriate times. My walk is good, all my body movements are slow. The only tangible fundamental I am lacking in is my physique (I just need to buy a pair of running shoes so I can start going to to the gym), although this isn't a big problem, I'm naturally pretty built. From now on I am going to be putting a lot of effort into eye contact. It needs to be more dominant. And I need to be more flirty with my eye contact. A weak point of mine is that I struggle with holding eye contact till the other person looks away WHEN IM ON AUTOPILOT. This needs to change.

I'm going to start working on my intangible fundamentals.

I've been getting more female attention than normal. I notice girls staring at me sometimes or trying to sneakily look at me. And I was feeling very competitive this week. I kept my social momentum from the weekend going and pushed myself to talk to more people in my class. Except midway through the week, I started getting a lot of social anxiety. I was thinking about approach anxiety. In my opinion, approach anxiety comes from operating outside of one's social comfort zone. If I'm going to continuously push myself, then I'm going to constantly have a lot of approach anxiety. Soon I will do some cold approaching, but right now I'm sick and not feeling social. I know I said I would do cold approaching in the past, but now I'm actually feeling confident that I will be well received by girls. I also realize that the only way to get better quickly is to do cold approach. I want to get better SO BAD!

Got lots of stuff to work on, and I'm realizing more than ever how important the small details are.

I'm a little bit hung up on how to advance these relationships with the girls from class though. I feel like it'd be weird if I just asked them for their number and started making moves on them. Everything I've had trouble with in the past, I thought it was weird at first.

The articles by Chase & friends on here have been great lately. For a while they were pretty dry.

One last point: a girl told me I look like Macaulay Calkin today. This is not the first time I've been told this. Not sure what to think of this.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:23 pm

Some quick thoughts on my resistance towards hooking up with girls from my class:

I am afraid of being rejected and then having it be awkward between them and I. My class is pretty small and it would be impossible to avoid them. Also, I view meeting girls in a classroom as a strictly platonic thing. My prior views were that you shouldn't hook up with chicks from class. And the transition from the classroom to the bedroom would feel weird.

Those are problems in my mindset that are preventing me from moving forward. Up until last night I wasn't even planning on trying with any of these chicks I'm getting to know from my class. But then I started thinking, WHY NOT take the risk and get some experience? why not try it out and see what happens? I'm going to regret it if I don't try.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:36 am

I've been practising doing physically indirect openings. When I open a girl, I make sure I don't physically face her head on. Instead, my body is turned away from her a little bit as I open her. After some conversation, I start facing her head on. I need to pair it with the technique where I get them to look at me first, then I make eye contact with them. I am also looking forward to pairing physical and verbal direct openers. Up until now, I've mostly been using indirect physical + verbal openers.

I love building social momentum and getting into a mood where opening is just so easy! I ignore approach anxiety when I'm getting warmed up because I am so eager to build social momentum. The great feelings and fearlessness I get from opening with ease is worth the initial awkwardness and worrying.

My voice is deepening and people are noticing.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:15 am

I was lying in my bed, and doing some thinking.

I realize how inhibited I am, and I don't like it! There are so many inhibitions I have, particularly social inhibitions. They are really holding me back. I'm glad I'm conscious of these inhibitions, because that's the first step to actively working on removing them. I would just like to say that I actively hold back who I am and prevent myself from expressing myself to the world! It sounds ridiculous i know! My journal on here is probably such a boring, factual read most of the time, because I'm afraid of showing myself to the people on here. I'm afraid of getting judged. From now on I'm just gonna be my actual self.

I'm thinking that if I remove some of these inhibitions, I'll be A) able to come across as more warm and B) my conversations with women will get a lot better. I was watching Zootopia tonight, its a disney movie. The vibe of the characters and the tone of their voice was perfect in every situation. Anyways, so I've been having a lot of trouble in my conversations with women lately (all of my life?) ! They're really robotic and don't go with the flow. Like a lot of the time I don't know what to say so I just fall back to lines that I use all the time. It sounds so ridiculous when I think about it, but I just realized it tonight. I really need to just chill out and be myself, instead of being this robot who doesn't have fun. Something that goes along with that is my vocal tone. Lately I'm scared to alter my vocal tone in conversation because I think that I'll come across as gay or something. Thats ridiculous though.

Whenever I read what Drexel Scott has to say, I think "wow THIS MAN IS BRILLIANT!" he's always talking about how women don't even listen to what you have to say, they are only really focused on the vibe. I really need to work on that. and the other things he says really make me realize things about myself, like the whole robot thing.

Anyways, yeah.......I just need to be more myself if I'm gonna get anywhere with women. Vibe, conversation, and vocal tone, gonna spend probably the next 6 months working on this shit....im so determined to get better.

btw, im scaling back my skeptical look to make it more subtle.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:16 am

hi friends, I'm back to talk about some thoughts regarding opening

Drexel Scott mentioned somewhere on the forum that he has some sort of 4 step opener and dropped some hints as to what he does to open. He didn't tell me the full process, but after doing some digging in the website archives, i can speculate as to what he does.

1. Situate yourself where the girl will be walking towards you. This is good because you're already in her field of vision.
2. When she gets close, use a pre-opening line, like "excuse me." this is just to get her attention before you go into your actual opener. You could even say "pssst."
3. Make eye contact with her before she makes eye contact with you
4. Deliver your opening line with indirect, but positive body language (turned away from her a little bit, with a smile).

If you do all this, you're gonna come across as friendly and not intimidating.

I'm interested in how the enunciation of the pre-opening line will influence the interaction (or if it will even influence it at all). I think if one were to say "excuse me" with a bounce upwards, then that would be quite interesting and ear-catching for the girl.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Ergon » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:41 am

Hey man,

I think Drexel's opener you referred to is this one?: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14201
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