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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:32 pm

Hello Ergon,

This is the particular thread I'm talking about: https://boards.girlschase.com/viewt ... =3&t=14744
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:58 am

I read about this way to reply to compliments on some forum and I heard it came from mystery. When the girl compliments you, you use a chase frame and say, "you dont like my ______. i think you're actually just attracted to me."

I was walking down the hall of my school on friday and was passing two girls and a guy. the one girl says, "my friend likes your green pants!" she was talking about the other girl, so i stopped and talked to her friend. It was just a quick and friendly talk, I didn't find her attractive. I really could have used the chase frame i mentioned above. I found it weird that i got opened because of my pants.

This one chick in my social circle is chasing me. She's a pretty sexual girl and I know she hooks up with a lot of guys. Hooking up with her is easily in my grasp at the moment although I don't find her attractive. But.... I don't find her unattractive either. I feel like it would just be WEIRD if we were to hook up. Sex with no attraction......hmm.

I have been chatting with another girl on facebook, and I have had to slow game her. She's my type, she an artist and loves nature. :) I never met her before and she's going to be moving to my city in about 2 weeks time. She's the one who's always messaging me first, and she usually messages me on two separate occasions before I reply. She's the one who initiated making plans, saying she wants to have a "wine and pajama" night with me. She's told me before that shes intrigued by me. Things are going good so far. I've been in this sort of situation before so I know how to prevent her from going into auto-rejection. Right now I'm just gonna keep things really minimal between us until she gets into town. I want to prevent her from getting bored. If we drift apart just randomly while things are still a little hot, then it's going to be easier to get into contact with her when she's in town, as oppose to drifting apart because we got bored of each other.

I've been neglecting to use head tilts while talking with people and that needs to change. However everything else has been great and I know what I need to improve on, fundamental wise. I want to accessorize, however I am not the biggest fan of necklaces and rings.... I was thinking about getting some cool wristbands or something along those lines.

As previously mentioned in another journal post of mine, I've been paying particular attention to vibe and vocal tone lately. Also I've been paying attention to facial expressions. The more I practice them, the more I realize how specific, yet subtle I have to be with my face. Having a seductive face requires a very slight smile. If I increase my smile just a tad more, then it becomes a friendly face.

Been working on some other stuff too, but now's not the time to talk about it.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:48 pm

I'm considering making changes to the way that I use eye contact when I'm talking with a group of people. Usually, I divide my eye contact up amongst all the people equally. When I'm talking, I will break eye contact with one person just to look at the other people - even if that one person didn't break eye contact first. I don't want the conversation to seem one sided. I think I'm going to ditch this and just hold eye contact with each individual until they break eye contact with me. I was talking to three other people recently and one of them was a girl. The girl was willing to hold eye contact with me for long periods of time, but I would always break first to look at the other two guys. Seems like weak behaviour to me, and is also a missed opportunity to build tension.

Is being a high energy person sexy? This is something I've been thinking about for a while. Whenever I meet the energy levels of a high energy girl, it feels really unnatural and unsexy to me.

I learned something new recently that will help my deep dives. It involves discovering what a girl's values are, then finding out how these values make her feel. Then, making her feel those emotions. I went to my favourite thrift store today and the lady who works there says she really likes the 80s. I asked her how the 80s make her feel. She says that it makes her feel really excited. So now I know that in my interactions with her, I should focus on making her feel excited - because thats what she values. I need to link those feelings to my presence.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Ergon » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:16 am

backstory wrote:Hello Ergon,

This is the particular thread I'm talking about: https://boards.girlschase.com/viewt ... =3&t=14744


Oh yeah, I think it's not that one. Well, your method seems fine, although I do it a bit different.

I prefer "hey there" rather than "excuse me" and have her make eye contact first before I do. This as per recommended by chase on one of his articles. Works fine for me, but who knows? I'll make a few more approaches and vary these to see the reaction.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Seppuku » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:19 am

Hey backstory,

How are you man?

backstory wrote:Is being a high energy person sexy? This is something I've been thinking about for a while. Whenever I meet the energy levels of a high energy girl, it feels really unnatural and unsexy to me.

Low energy is much better, seems more powerful, more in control. Ideally she tones down her energy level to match your lower one.

All over your posts here in your Journal, I notice how much diligent you are in learning all the various aspects of game taught on Girls Chase, on fundamentals, on body language, on facial expressions, on dressing style, on getting compliance, on approach tactics, etc... This is all good! The more of this you can really internalize and make a part of you, the better.

HOWEVER I want to point that you do not absolutely need ALL of this to make it work. Keep in mind that the most important factor to getting laid, by far, is having a robust end-to-end process and following it through. I would say, what you need to do more now is the final stages, pull and escalation. Mastering this is what you probably need the most now, in order to progress.

One of my goals was to start touching women with my palm instead of the back of my hand during the day when I'm sober, and I have been doing that.

Yep, touching is very important, more than the actual content of what is said during a date. It's like Drexel said, they respond to the vibe. Touching is a big part of creating a sexual vibe. First you need to break the touch barrier, very early. Once you break the touch barrier, you may notice that the girls will start to touch you too. Then you need to pay attention to her body response to your touch. How is your touch being received? If not positive (she pulls away), chat, create better emotional connection, then try again. If positive reception, then increasingly become bolder with your touch. Ultimately there is no limit to what you can do, even on a first date. Be aware that you can actually make her very horny just with touch. Powerful stuff! On my very first dates, I was actually making them very horny without me even noticing. Then they would go back home, horny and sexually unsatisfied, and auto reject. You have to be ready to capitalize right away on the emotions you generate.

Another goal of mine is to get women to feel comfortable with touching me.

You will notice it gets better once you have broken the touch barrier. Some girls just don't dare touching first. Touch her incidentally on a high point of conversation. Then observe what happens.

OK man, that's my take ;-)

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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:08 pm

Hi Seppuku,

I'm doing alright. Hope you're doing great as well. I can't stress enough about how much I love reading your journal - I'm always learning techniques from it and incorporating it into my own game.

Seppuku wrote:HOWEVER I want to point that you do not absolutely need ALL of this to make it work. Keep in mind that the most important factor to getting laid, by far, is having a robust end-to-end process and following it through. I would say, what you need to do more now is the final stages, pull and escalation. Mastering this is what you probably need the most now, in order to progress.


I agree with you, this is a weak point of mine. I don't escalate and move things forward as much as I should, with the opportunities I am presented with. There's a lesson that is taught to salespeople. Its called "ABC" and stands for Always Be Closing. A lot of new salespeople will present all the benefits of the products/service to the customer, but they miss one step... which is actually asking for the sale. This will be a helpful concept for me to abide by in the next few months.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Seppuku » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:39 am

Hey,

backstory wrote:I can't stress enough about how much I love reading your journal - I'm always learning techniques from it and incorporating it into my own game.

Thanks, it's a lot of fun!

I agree with you, this is a weak point of mine. I don't escalate and move things forward as much as I should, with the opportunities I am presented with.

If it's any help, I gave some pointers about pulling here.

There's a lesson that is taught to salespeople. Its called "ABC" and stands for Always Be Closing. A lot of new salespeople will present all the benefits of the products/service to the customer, but they miss one step... which is actually asking for the sale. This will be a helpful concept for me to abide by in the next few months.

Are you thinking into becoming a sales person? It's a good way in life.

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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:25 am

Seppuku wrote:If it's any help, I gave some pointers about pulling here.


Oh, hmm. I think in the past I asked instead of just saying. I'll just state it from now on.

Seppuku wrote:Are you thinking into becoming a sales person? It's a good way in life.


Little bit. I've done sales before and I'm not bad at it.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:05 pm

Last night was pretty fun. I think the biggest lesson I learned is that persistence really pays off.

I met a girl on this app called Yik Yak on Friday night. Her name is Leah. The conversation spilled over into saturday morning. I asked for her number. Here's the entire text exchange between us:

Backstory: Hey Leah! It's backstory. how're you feeling? any better than this morning? my hangovers usually last for days.
Leah: yeah I'm doing a lot better thanks
Backstory: i texted you back at 7 but realized i texted the wrong leah.....
Leah: oh haha oops
Backstory: whats your schedule like tonight?
Leah: I'm playing cards against humanity right now, how about you?
Backstory: i never played that before.
Backstory: I'm going out, you wanna meet up perhaps?
Leah: hmm i dont know, i cant really just ditch right now
Leah: where are you going?
Backstory: not now, i mean like...in a bit! I'm heading over to Queen (Queen is a street in the student neighbourhood)
Backstory: I admire your commitment to cards of humanity though. :)
Leah: Ohh haha I don't feel like partying tonight
Backstory: yeah but I'm not partying! I just wanna chill because you seem like a cool girl and i wanna get to know you some more. :)
Leah: Oh haha its pretty late
Backstory: I noticed! hey i never asked...how old are you?
Leah: I'm 18, how about you?
Backstory: guess
Leah: 10
Backstory: multiply that by 5 and you're getting close
Leah: Nah, im joking. 19-20
Backstory: I played football with your dad in high school
Leah: What?
Leah: You're joking right
Backstory: no? why, do i look young for a 50 year old man? ;)
Backstory: I'm 24
Leah: well I'm not sure i've seen you. (She had seen a picture of me earlier)
Leah: Oh cool
Leah: that was a really shitty reply
Leah: I'm sorry about that


At this point I knew I just needed to keep the conversation light. Chases article on how to pick up 18 year olds popped into my head.

Backstory: I'll forgive you....hey do you think that kim kardashian staged the robbery?
Leah: oh haha i dont really follow stuff like that all i know is that she got robbed thats like it, why wasn't there any security?


I stopped texting her after she said this, and an hour and a half later she texts me.

Leah: lol looks like I'm partying tonight
Backstory: congratulations
Backstory: You staying outta trouble right now?
Leah: Hell no
Backstory: Knew it! are you on campus? like do you live on residence?
Leah: Lol im joking haha. Yeah im in White Goose.
Backstory: All michaelas are trouble
Leah: Nahhh not this girl
Backstory: Naahahahha baatmaaaan
Backstory: *na na na na na ja na ajajahahah
Backstory: I'm pretty close to campus, we could meet up?
Leah: Lol. you at Queen?
Leah: hmm
Backstory: Yeah I'm on queen
Backstory: it'll be fun
Leah: Idk we'll see what's going down
Backstory: Ok I'm leaving town tomorrow for a while (this is a lie)
Backstory: did you hear what happened on queen last night? omg
Leah: okay i think I'm going out but like i feel weird meeting up with you with friends. and noooo? what happened
Backstory: ohhh yeah i feel that for sure.
Backstory: just say I'm from your hometown! they won't know any different
Backstory: are you going to a party?
Leah: No my friend just got back and he wants to chill here. what time are you leaving tomorrow?
Backstory: later on
Leah: How'd you know i was from Saskatoon?
Backstory: I didn't?
Leah: Maybe we could hang tomorrow
Backstory: You're drunk
Leah: Ohhhhhh hahaha I read that completely wrong
Backstory: saskatoon eh. i heard many things about that place
Backstory: I'm pretty busy tomorrow. tonights better for me. you can hang with your friend tomorrow.
Leah: Im nervous.
Backstory: why?
Leah: idk i dont want to go alone
Backstory:: I can come meet you at white goose and we can go to my place! but theres no pressure, you can leave anytime. i just really hope youre not a serial killer!
Leah: its pretty late.
Leah: I'm not!
Backstory: ok good
Leah: Ok
Backstory: I'm leaving this party
Leah: Whyyy parties are always fun
Leah: Not coming over then
Backstory: yeah i can come
Backstory: be there in ten minutes
Leah: Haha okay what are we doing
Backstory: You'll have to wait and see
Leah: I'm actually kind of tired. so like I want to sleep but i also want to hang
Backstory: Yeah i wanna hang out too. :) so meet me in the lobby of white goose.


I walked to her residence and met up with her. It wasn't awkward at all. I was talking about just naturally clicking with people, and asked if she's ever really just clicked with someone. She said, "yeah! thats happening right now!" We walked back to my place, The whole walk I was just using fluff talk. I was touching her and she was receiving it well.

So we get into my place and I'm a little nervous but its all fine. We talked for a bit on my couch. She was sitting weird on the couch which caused her to not exactly be that close to me. At first I was thinking, "how am i going to escalate?" I just started touching her. She was sitting in a way in that her knees were jutting into me. I moved her knees and kissed her.

Leah: I don't do this too often
Backstory: It's okay! I won't judge.


I wasn't exactly sure what to reply. I guess I did the right thing.

Sooo, we kissed a little bit, and in between kissing we would talk some more. This was my mistake. I should have kept escalating instead of talking. Because I started having problems with my vibe and became a really awkward person.... you could literally see the look of annoyance in her eyes! When we were kissing I was feeling her up over her shirt and pants, but thats about it. She let me rub her pussy a little, but I didn't get too heavy into it. i tried going up her shirt, but she wouldn't let me. So I unbuttoned JUST ONE of her buttons on her shirt and then kept kissing her. Wow, I can't believe myself. Why was I escalating so slow? This is so frustrating to me and I'm disappointed in myself. I guess I felt like she wasn't ready to be further escalated on, and the "I don't do this too often" comment really threw me off. Next time I'm going as fast as I can. I don't expect to hear from her ever again because of this.

After about an hour and a half, she said she was tired and had to go home.

I persisted well, and had a really good vibe the majority of the time. I wasn't afraid to escalate initially, but later escalation stages really need a lot of work.

I was at a party prior to this happening, and had some really good conversations with people. I was talking to this one chick, and we clicked really well. I asked for her number, but she told me she had a boyfriend, as she pointed to her boyfriend 2 meters away. I talked to her for a good hour but it was always within earshot of her boyfriend. Towards the end of the conversation I was getting bored. if she didn't have a boyfriend, I would have brought her home. :)
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Seppuku » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:46 am

Haha not bad! So you can text a girl you've never seen into meeting and coming with you at your home. Interesting, no?

I think you would have had an easier time if you had taken her to a "neutral" place first and take time to connect with her first. Before she can let you escalate physically, she absolutely needs to feel emotionally connected to you. That's what all this deep diving does for you! She was giving signs of nervousness all the way. Her hesitation to meet you, all along your initial texting, was due to anxiousness of meeting a total stranger. This has to be addressed first before your can escalate. Make her feel comfortable!

On the positive side:
* Your text exchange was good. For a girl you met online, there has to be this sort of back and forth first, for her to connect enough with you and meet you in real.
* Your persistence paid, as you noticed.
* You led her home like a boss

On the "can be improved" side:
* Take her to a neutral place first, and take the time to make her feel fully comfortable before pulling. You make her talk, you touch her a lot
* You were nervous and she could feel it. Girls are like a mirror. You're nervous, and she becomes even more nervous. If instead, you feel calm and confident, that will help her relax and enjoy

The escalation part - it's just the continuation of all the touching you did before. Your goal is to remove all these clothes. It is absolutely OK to pace it down and do it slow, as required, if you feel a hint of hesitation on her part. While you escalate you have to be aware of her inner state at all time. If you sense any sort of restlessness or resistance, you pull back from physical contact and chat her. Wait any sign that she gets closer to you again. Then start again. Inch by inch!

Signs of arousal to look for during escalation:
* Change in breathing rhythm.
* Her becoming super talkative.

Good job! You need more of this, to overcome your own nervousness.

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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:45 pm

Seppuku wrote:Haha not bad! So you can text a girl you've never seen into meeting and coming with you at your home. Interesting, no?


I'm surprised that it happened, especially given all her objections and the circumstances. This will be a good reference point for the future. Thanks for the advice yet again. :)
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:10 pm

After tweaking my vibe and vocal tone in the past few days, I've been seeing huge changes in the way people are treating me/reacting to me. Women are acting way more warm around me. They're using different facial expressions and vocal tones with me than before. I'm so happy about it and I can't wait to see what the results will be when I improve more.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:48 pm

Ah, wow. It certainly has been a while since I posted last. Geez, I dunno. I just totally fell off the seduction/self improvement train....no big deal, motivation waxes and wanes. Still actively working on vocal tone and vibe though (which is going well).

Needless to say I do have some things to report on. I am ready to lose my virginity and I will be giving it away quite soon. I am fully open to losing it. I have no more anxiety around the thought of it.

A girl in my class is interested in me. Unfortunately, my attraction has expired for her. On Friday, she was giving me all sorts of escalation windows. We were walking to the bus stop after class. She wouldn't stop complimenting my clothing. She kept touching me. Then she asked where I live. Then she says "My bus isn't gong to be here for another hour, what should i do?" Haha. I'm not too attracted to her because she's an indian and indian accents are a total turnoff for me. I disappointed her and said, "Goodbye, see you on Monday."

Met this chick at my favourite thrift store two weeks ago. She opened me by saying "hey, we have the same bag." Now the thing is that she's quite friendly with me, but doesn't seem to be overly attracted to me. Sort of a neutral kind of thing...I'm attracted to her though. I kicked myself when I failed in getting her number. There was no touch involved, but heavy eye contact and I made sure to look at her lips.

Today I saw her again at the thrift store - I had consumed too much coffee and was feeling quite jittery and nervous. We were there for quite a long time. She left when I left - a coincidence? I asked her if she wanted to go to a flea market on the 13th:

Me: hey, what are you doing on the 13th?
Her: nothing really yet...oh wait theres the flea market
Me: yeah! do you wanna go?
Her: Yeah for sure I'll see you there.
Me: Ok, I added you on Facebook earlier today so we'll chat there and make plans.


I SHOULD have been more clear. I should have said, "do you want to go WITH ME?" I had added her on Facebook earlier in the day yes, but I should have gotten her number. And now I'm worried I've been moving too slow and not touching her enough. I'm worried that I've shifted myself into boyfriend/friend territory. This is the same sort of thing that happened with Summer. I mean, I wouldn't mind dating this chick cuz she's an artist too and into fashion. But I'd rather give off a lover vibe, then shift to a boyfriend vibe after I've fucked her.

So what will I do? I hope my message to her is clear that I want to hang out with her AT the flea market. Not just say hello there and go separate ways. And then I must really get going with touching her. Lastly, I gotta invite her home with me afterwards, if these plans follow through. I just need to be on top of my game really and be way more flirty....
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:20 pm

It's been a while, my friends.

Here are my current goals:

1. Slow down my facial expressions
2. Be less logical with women
3. Slightly tweak how my clothes fit on me
4. Develop charisma

Here's a summary of how several of my fundamentals are going:

Clothes

I've been getting compliments from women of all ages and older men on the clothes I am wearing. I'm definitely on the right track, but now I suppose I just have to tweak how things are fitting on me so everything looks perfect. Especially with my pants. All my pants look weird at the knees. I understand it's okay for there to be a bit of buildup around that area on slim fitting pants......but, when I look at pictures of myself, it honestly looks like my legs are broken. I'll have to do some research into this and get my pants tailored.

Facial Expressions

I find myself tilting my head without thinking. I remember I used to struggle with this. My facial expressions are well developed. A lot of the time, I just use my facial expressions to communicate instead of actually speaking. I really need to slow them down though. I raise my eyebrows too fast. I can really communicate sexual intent by looking at a women's lips, or using shy smiles.

Frames and Women

I worked with the same group of three girls on projects all semester at school. I ended up developing feelings for one of them. Her name is Rake. She's shorter than me, and just the right amount of girly. We get along so well. Towards the end of the semester I started noticing she was treating me differently - in a good way. I guess its evident that we get along well, because the other girls in my group would say things like "I think you and Rake have something special" or "I think you're in love with Rake" or "You and Rake should date." They would say these things right in front of Rake. One time Rake came to class dressed up and the girls were like to me, "Oh, you didn't notice how nice Rake looks today?" I did notice, but didn't really care...Then Rake was like "No, i guess he didn't notice" and looked sad.

When the girls say I should date Rake, I don't know how to respond. If they say things like, "I think you're in love with Rake" then I just flip the frame and say "I think she's in love with me!" Or I don't say anything, or I just laugh and change the subject. But I would really like to date her, I'm in the mood to get a girlfriend. This whole frame thing is a little bit tricky for me to navigate through though. I've set up a frame that I'm a player. I mentioned to the girls that I have six girlfriends, and they are always asking me about it. I think they might believe it a little due to a bit of preselection that has happened. However I will have to ditch this player frame if I want to set up a boyfriend frame.

I met this one girl (Angela) a while back, and the only reason I was talking to her was because I wanted to hook up with her. Then I found out she had a boyfriend, so I stopped talking to her. One of the girls in my group (Tanissa) is friends with Angela. Just recently, Tanissa asked me why I stopped talking to Angela. I was straight up and told her that I stopped talking to her because she had a boyfriend. Tanissa didn't like this, she says, "You are not a gentleman!!" This was in front of Rake too. Then Tanissa says she has a boyfriend, and asked why I was still talking to her. Well obviously shes in my project group, so I said that I talk to her because we have to do amazing work for school. She accepted this reply. How am I going to change these frames if I want to date Rake?

Well, first of all, I'm sure Rake knows that I am sexually interested in her due to my nonverbal communication towards her. We haven't hung out outside class yet. I'm going to change that once school starts again in the new year.

Summer and I have been chatting again. She wants to hang out when I'm back in town. I have to be really careful. I always mess up on my frame with her, which is how I scare her off. First, she wanted to date, but I presented a player frame to her. Then she got scared off. Then she just wanted to fuck, but then I presented a boyfriend frame to her, which scared her off. Now, after a month, she's telling me to "come over." So what I'm going to do is hang out with her when I'm back. Until then, I'm not going to build any sort of frame. I'm just going to go with the flow and try to read her frame, then match my frame to that. Sounds a little submissive i know.... but, I'm down for whatever.

All this frame stuff is so exhausting!!! But it's so important.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Seppuku » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:56 pm

Hello Backstory,

nice to see you back!

backstory wrote:Here are my current goals:

1. Slow down my facial expressions
2. Be less logical with women
3. Slightly tweak how my clothes fit on me
4. Develop charisma

All these are very good goals! But again, you do not absolutely need to have all things perfect to start bedding girls. The process, is the most important stuff.

When the girls say I should date Rake, I don't know how to respond. If they say things like, "I think you're in love with Rake" then I just flip the frame and say "I think she's in love with me!" Or I don't say anything, or I just laugh and change the subject.

You don't confirm nor infirm their statement. You maintain the mystery at all times of course. I like your "I think she's in love with me!", which is cocky, and will do more to make them wet than candidly confirming their "I think you're in love with Rake". I wish I knew all this back in my own college years (that was probably before you were born - LOL).

This whole frame thing is a little bit tricky for me to navigate through though. I've set up a frame that I'm a player. I mentioned to the girls that I have six girlfriends, and they are always asking me about it. I think they might believe it a little due to a bit of preselection that has happened. However I will have to ditch this player frame if I want to set up a boyfriend frame.

The thing about frames is, there should be some consistency. Or else, you're incongruent. The "I have six girlfriends" line is best when you're asked, and should be said in a playful tone to keep her (them) in doubt about your real relationship status. I would definitely keep the player frame - for consistency - and seduce her first. Once you're with her (took her to bed at least twice), you can start sending some BF vibes (moderately).

Tanissa didn't like this, she says, "You are not a gentleman!!"

The way I read this is "you're not a real man". The "real man" (girls term for Lover) would have tried to bed Angela regardless of her BF status. In general it is best to completely disregard her "I have a BF" statement, because 1) it could be bullshit to test your manly resolve (another test) or 2) she could have a BF but looking for a bigger tree with greener leaves (e.g. you). So the best approach is to stick around and check her attitude - which will tell you more about how attached to her BF she really is.

Well, first of all, I'm sure Rake knows that I am sexually interested in her due to my nonverbal communication towards her. We haven't hung out outside class yet. I'm going to change that once school starts again in the new year.

Are you sure she knows of your sexual interest? Usually if you didn't do explicit sexual advances very early on, the girls will be quick to assume that it's because you're not sexually interested. That's attraction windows 101. In January don't beat around the bush and ask her out. There is no perfect moment. Just do it.

Summer and I have been chatting again. She wants to hang out when I'm back in town. I have to be really careful. I always mess up on my frame with her, which is how I scare her off. First, she wanted to date, but I presented a player frame to her. Then she got scared off. Then she just wanted to fuck, but then I presented a boyfriend frame to her, which scared her off. Now, after a month, she's telling me to "come over." So what I'm going to do is hang out with her when I'm back. Until then, I'm not going to build any sort of frame. I'm just going to go with the flow and try to read her frame, then match my frame to that. Sounds a little submissive i know.... but, I'm down for whatever.

Congruence, congruence... All your frames should say that you're consistently one and the same man, the real deal! Being incongruent is akin to failing her tests. You need to won your frame. Become it.

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Postby fog » Sat May 06, 2017 9:19 pm

Hello friends,

It's been a while. Good to see some familiar faces as well as some newer guys!

My fashion sense is what is really setting me apart lately. I wear a lot of eccentric, unique vintage clothing and I find that I'm getting opened by women at parties and sometimes in public. I believe this is due to my clothing. I am finally dressing the way I have always wanted to dress, it's so exciting. Perhaps I will post pictures of some of my outfits for feedback.

I was ridiculously busy finishing up school the past few months and wasn't focusing on talking to women at all. I'm done now though, and I have two dates on Monday. One of the women is my type - artistic and quite fashionable.

I made some major tweaks in the way I talk lately. I have become a more conversational person and I am confident in my ability to hold a great conversation with anyone. Before...... my conversations sucked (especially with women). I was just trying to use all these pick up techniques on them without being a good conversationalist and it wasn't really working - it was awkward. It's important to be a good conversationalist before you start incorporating all the techniques into your game, at least in my opinion. I hung out with this one chick a few weeks ago for the first time. She said to me, "I feel like I've known you my whole life." Great sign.

I will report back after my dates on Monday.
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Postby fog » Mon May 08, 2017 5:59 pm

Today I went out to do some day game for the first time. I did 5 approaches. For all 5 approaches I used an indirect opener. I wasn't aiming to get numbers or anything, I just wanted to get some experience opening and managing approach anxiety. I had good conversations with 2/5 girls.

I had mentioned I was supposed to have 2 dates today....but they both flaked.
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Postby fog » Fri May 12, 2017 4:34 pm

Today I lost my virginity.

It was really awkward and I couldn't stay hard...

While the sex wasn't good, I did a pretty good job with the foreplay. I made her cum even before I got her pants off. Later after teasing her clit for a while she said that her hands went numb.
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Postby fog » Mon May 15, 2017 9:02 pm

I've been doing some more day game. Here's some stats:

15 approaches
4 conversations

4 out of the 15 approaches turned into conversations. I didn't ask for any of their numbers. I feel I could have gotten at least 1 or 2 though.

I'm excited to reach 100 approaches and have already been making some observations:

I'm nervous. This is normal but I'm gotta tweak my mindset while approaching a girl. I have to go into it believing that this girl WANTs to talk to me. The rejections haven't even been that bad....lol the worst that happened is that my existence wasn't even acknowledged. I feel the rejections might get a little harsher once I start using direct openers

Using an indirect opener (mostly compliments) feels inefficient..I feel like girls don't realize I want to actually have a conversation with them, and that's why they walk away so quick.

My body language when I open is good. However I'm unaware of what my body language during the interaction is like. I'm going to pay attention to this.

Besides that, I'm finding that I'm ending things a little bit too early...a typical problem amongst newbies I feel like, but easily resolved.

Something interesting I noticed: Several times have opened women who are with another person. When I pay attention to the woman, the other person just starts babbling all sorts of nonsense even though they are quite clearly not in the conversation.
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Postby fog » Tue May 16, 2017 4:19 pm

Today I completed 14 approaches. 5 of these approaches were direct. I asked, "are you single?" All 5 of these girls said no and walked away quite quickly.

Yesterday I mentioned I had this problem with indirect openers where the girl would just walk away shortly after the open, they didn't realize I wanted to have a conversation with them. I seem to have fixed this problem by putting out this conversational kind of vibe. The body language of these girls suggested they were about to walk away but I'd start being all conversational and I would keep them talking for a few more minutes.

I forced myself to not end things early for all 14 approaches. I'm using compliance and touch too.

But now I'm running into some more problems. It seems like the further the conversation goes, the more likely I mess things up and just ruin the vibe of things (seems like its roughly 1 minute in). I'm not quite sure how to fix it. I guess I'll have to pay more attention so I can analyze it further. I was even thinking about recording my conversations.

Oh, and on top of that, there seems to be a lull in a lot of conversations where theres just this silence after the initial small talk (2-3 minutes in) and the girl says shes going to leave. I need to figure out what to do with that lull. It seems like a great time to ask for some more compliance, like moving somewhere or getting her number. Or...just changing the subject.

I told one girl I was going to my advertising class later, which was total bullshit. She said "You sound like you'd be in advertising from the way you talk." I'll take that as a sign I'm doing things alright,
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Postby fog » Fri May 19, 2017 3:21 pm

I indirectly opened this chick on the bus. In the middle of our conversation I said, "we should go for coffee sometime" and she was interested. I got her number. It was so easy. She's a 30-something year old single mother.
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Postby fog » Sun May 21, 2017 1:13 am

hi friends

endless amounts of "i have a boyfriend" right now

i reply with "are you lying" and "he doesnt have to know" kinda stuff but they hold steady with the i have a boyfriend kinda stuff

will study up on what chase and hector and people gotta say about this and employ this into my future interactions

btw hector you are so cool i really want to do coaching and stuff with you in the future but I'm poor and cant afford it lol
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Postby fog » Thu May 25, 2017 5:25 pm

I work for a retail store, but I do the work from home. Needless to say I often go to the store to hang out with my boss. They just hired this new sales associate. I chatted with her once and she seemed quite neutral towards me. I saw her again a week later and she was giving me all sorts of seductive looks. I was gonna make some plans with her and get her number but I didn't end up doing it - I got nervous and my mindsets were preventing me from accomplishing this.

Fast forward to today. I'm in the store and she's still giving me these looks. I ask her,

Backstory: Hey what's your schedule like this week?
Girl: *seems confused* 11-6 and 11-7
Backstory: for the rest of the week?
Girl: Yeah thursday and friday
Backstory: alright cool wanna get coffee? after you work till 6 tomorrow?


Then all of a sudden my boss interrupts:

Boss: Backstory shes on her lunch break right now!
Backstory: Oh yeah? *looks at girl* Wanna go right now?
Girl: Yeah.


We walk out onto the street and shes giving me the bedroom eyes.

Backstory: Where do you wanna go for food?
Girl: Idk
Backstory: Let's go to the market because I needa get some coffee


We're at the market and we're just wandering around and she doesn't even know what she wants to eat. I'm touching her a lot and she has no problem with it. Still giving me some bedroom eyes. I was qualifying her, asking her if shes a creative person or stuff. But she didn't really seem interested in hearing anything about me. We stop at this one restaurant. Somehow we end up talking about what kind of animal we would be if we were reincarnated:

Backstory: I would be a dolphin! They are so humanlike. They are smart and...*makes eye contact with girl* love sex and they are just so carefree.


I then ask her:

Backstory: When do you need to be back at work?
Girl: I don't know


I'm waiting for her to order at this restaurant but shes taking forever so I go and sit at this table nearby trying to figure out what to do now that my initial plan of getting her number and inviting her over to my place has changed... I think that maybe I could use the date compression strategy. She finally gets her food and she comes over:

Girl: It says this is for On The Rattle employees only!
Backstory: That's okay
Girl: Let's go somewhere else so we don't get in trouble
Backstory: No its cool, sit here.
Backstory: If we get in trouble I'm blaming you ;)


She sits. All of a sudden the vibe has changed. She's not really looking at me or engaging with me, not giving me the bedroom eyes. I wonder what's wrong. I think, hmmm maybe I pissed her off by making her sit here?

5 minutes later I suggest we move somewhere else. She's down. We go sit somewhere else....still the same vibe. Not really interested in me. She's eating very slowly. Then she says "OK i'm done." I look at her food and shes barely eaten anything. I start teasing her for having a small stomach but it doesn't really go anywhere. So we're just sitting around not talking and I realize she's waiting for me to make a move. I say "hey lets go for a walk."

So we go outside and then she starts giving me resistance about how she has to go back to work soon. I start walking her back towards her work and she points out a building. We are chatting about the building and she says,

Girl: I had only been in there because I had to meet my date there


I didn't react to that too much. We are walking down the street and I say goodbye. I didn't get her number or anything.

Yeah s0o0o0o as the subject topic says, I'm really kicking myself. The only thing this girl was hungry for was some cock and I DIDN'T REALIZE IT TILL AFTER. I let my boss change my initial frame, then I messed up the frame by thinking she was hungry and shit. Even if I was smart about this, the logistics were shit. My house was a 20 minute bus ride away and we were downtown, so I'd have to find some place to fuck her outside in the middle of a busy downtown area. Also, the conversation wasn't the greatest. There was no emotional connection. I am learning that there doesn't need to be an emotional connection to have sex though. People just use each other for their bodies.
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Postby fog » Thu May 25, 2017 5:48 pm

Did some day game today. The first few approaches were awkward as shit and the main problem was that I didn't feel confident. My voice was sounding all weird and nervous...it made me not want to approach. I was having an internal battle with myself for at least 15 minutes. I desperately wanted to go home. But then I told myself to stop being a pussy and to push myself. So I did - I made some more approaches and my last few approaches turned into conversations and a number close. I pushed myself in other ways too. When I first went out, I pushed myself to talk to the very first chick I saw.

I had met this one girl at a party a long time ago and we were vibing but she had a boyfriend. Today I opened this random chick - it turns out it was her and she recognized me. We had a conversation, but I talked too much. I touched her a few times but she wasn't receptive to it and her body language was closed off. Regardless I number closed her for practice. She gave me her number but I doubt she's going to text me back. Towards the end of our interaction I was getting really nervous and stuff.

I opened another girl. We had a conversation...she brought it up two times how she thought it was so random and weird that I had just started talking to her. I didn't address these objections and I feel like it was a mistake. I should have presented her with a frame that A) I do it all the time and B) its not weird.

Lately I like opening indirect then asking if they are single shortly into the conversation. Lo and behold, some chicks are actually telling me that yes they are single.

Besides the sometimes awkward conversations and voice, I am doing everything well. I'm holding eye contact, qualifying, touching, and asking for compliance.

I was sitting down on a bench and there was a girl who was pulling down posters off the wall near me:

Backstory: Is it usually this hot in here?
Girl: Yeah usually. There's a cold spot further down the hall though. It's nice
Backstory: Hmmm I should be sitting over there then.
Girl: Yeah it would be a really good place to sit but there's no where to sit there.


I don't say anything. The conversation dies for a few minutes. Then she says something.... its like shes talking to herself.

Backstory: Are you talking to yourself?
Girl: Yeah....don't mind me. *She starts walking down the hall*
Backstory: I heard that smart people talk to themselves a lot.
Girl: Then I must be a genius! *Goes out of sight.*


She comes back.

Girl: I'm back! *Says something about me finding it weird that she talks to herself.*
Backstory: I don't find it weird!


Silence again for a bit. She's still doing her job.

Backstory: I have a question for you.
Girl: What's that?
Backstory: Do you ever have so much fun that you lose track of time?
Girl: No not really...I'm an organized person..I need to keep track of everything!
Backstory: Have you always been that way?
Girl: Well growing up no...
Backstory: so do you have to schedule time in to sneeze?
Girl: Haha no I don't like sneezing. I only sneeze when I get sick.
Backstory: Ohhh so there's that negative association. Well I like sneezing. It just feels soo0o0 good. I know what you mean though. I was eating an apple when i got a call that my grandma died. I don't like apples anymore.
Girl: *Starts laughing a lot* Sorry I'm not laughing at your grandma's death....this is just so random!
Backstory: *Laughs a little bit*


At this point the conversation dies and she walks away saying that her shift was almost over. Writing out the conversation I feel like she wasn't really interested. However she was smiling at me and making eye contact and re-initiated conversation after she left.

It seems that girls are finding my approach random and weird...
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Postby fog » Sun May 28, 2017 1:08 pm

Many times lately when I am in a conversation I catch myself leaning in towards the other person. I learned that this is a big no no so I stopped doing it. Girls are leaning in towards ME to talk to me now. It feels powerful.

I am talking slowly and using multiple pauses.

I am working on building intrigue. I was at this event last night, it was a concert in a pretty interesting venue. It was earlier in the night and I approached this one girl. Here's a basic rundown of the conversation from what I can remember:

Me: Hey, I have to tell you something.
Girl: What's that?
Me: Your style.... it's the second coolest style I've ever seen in my whole entire life.
Girl: *laughs* thanks!
Me: What's your name?
Girl: Carey
Me: Nice to meet you Carey.
Girl: Nice to meet you too.
Me: I see that you and your friend here are playing this game.
Girl: Yeah we're trying but it's not really working.
Me: Well we're not electricians or anything so...it's definitely a hard game to win at!
Girl: *laughs* It is tough.


At this point her friend walks away.

Me: What are you into?
Girl: Mostly nature.
Me: Oh yeah? Do you meditate?
Girl: Yes. What are you into?
Me: You know ….I like to get an adrenaline rush from going on adventures, whether it be in the mind or into nature.


All throughout this conversation she had been holding strong eye contact with me and otherwise positive body language. When I said that last line, the look on her face changed. She was looking at me like she was just so interested in me. Like she was incredibly intrigued by what I had just said. I will be on the lookout for that particular look from other girls. Unfortunately right after that line her friend came back and said "Carey let's go!" I didn't push for her to stay.

I am asking girls if they are single and saying it with authority! Here's an example of me talking to another girl last night:

Me: Hey are you from the 1980s!?
Girl: Hahaha! What?
Me: I don't know...you look like you're from the 1980s
Girl: Must be the dress...I've been getting a lot of remarks like that.


More banter ensues.

Me: Are you single?
Girl: No....
Me: Ah, yeah its cool. No big deal.
Girl: Yeah we can keep talking. It's not like we are doing anything inappropriate.
Me: It's just talking so far.
Girl: Yeah nothing bad.
Me: And even if we did do anything inappropriate, we can keep it a secret....he doesn't have to know!
Girl: *Laughs at what I'm saying, and not in a nervous way*


After this we had a deep conversation. Her boyfriend didn't seem to be there so I hung around and talked to her under the presumption she was lying. We were touching each other a lot....then further into the conversation she brought up her boyfriend again.

In other conversations with girls last night I was doing well at keeping them around initially with my banter before transitioning into deeper conversation. I will have to include banter in my day game because it is sorely lacking that right now. Now, for example...some of my conversations just did not go anywhere because I got the vibe 100% wrong. It felt like there was this huge hole in the conversation that made it go sour. I will be investigating this. I think it has something to do with warmth and creating consensus with the girl in the initial few minutes of the conversation.

I'm qualifying girls really hard lately. Some girls are actually squirming when I'm qualifying them. It's like....they know I'm qualifying them, but they are unsure if they want to qualify or not.

It's quite funny to see girls rejecting me. You know they want to leave but I am just hanging around in the conversation making them talk more and putting social pressure on them. Some girls just make up the stupidest excuses to leave.

Here's a funny moment from a conversation that I messed up and turned sour.

Girl: Okay you can leave now. Go.
Me: What... no....I was here first! (She was actually there first)
Girl: No you weren't!
**We talk for another few minutes**


I'm sure I'm forgetting to talk about some stuff but I am starting to notice some patterns and will be keeping an eye out to see what I can do with these patterns. Either way I know for a fact I am becoming a powerful high value person. Social interactions are a power dynamic and the majority of the time lately I have the power.

I loved chase's recent article "7 awesome ways to ace women's tests." I especially loved the part "putting up hoops." I started trying it out last night....I'm laughing now because I did it in a really uncalibrated way:

Girl: Hey will you take a picture of me and my friends
Backstory: I only take pictures for girls if I've already made out with them
Girl: Ohhh...I will have to find someone else then


I asked for too much compliance right away. Shoulda asked for a cheek kiss or something.
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Postby fog » Mon May 29, 2017 6:30 pm

I'm running into this silly problem lately while day gaming which is going to be an easy fix. Sometimes the girl will ask, "what are you up to right now" or "where are you going right now?" or something along those lines and all of a sudden my mind just blanks and I have no clue what to say. Then after I stare at them blankly for a few seconds until I come up with some bullshit excuse like "oh ya I'm walking to see my friend" or something along those lines. They can probably tell I'm lying. From now on I'm just gonna have an excuse sorted out before I go out.

I had been doing street stops but now I am practising approaching women who are sitting down/stationary. It's a lot easier.

I got this one girl's number today. I am making two problems with number closing that I require fixing:

1. I am number closing in a needy way
2. I am not setting up a date before getting her number

I also got blown out pretty hard today. I opened a girl and she ignored me and then gave me dirty looks. It was the first time that sort of thing has happened and it was amusing.

I'm not experiencing much approach anxiety anymore and if I do I overcome it pretty quick. I think this is because I'm opening average looking chicks. I'm going to open hotter chicks and see how I feel about that.
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Postby fog » Wed May 31, 2017 5:46 pm

Opening stationary women indirectly is darn easy and will result in a conversation most of the time for me. They're quite friendly. However it is quite the challenge for me to get into conversations with women who are on their way somewhere/in the middle of something. In these situations time is not on my side and it's near impossible to build a connection or even number close before they have to be off. From now on I will open more directly in the daytime as chase suggests when women are hurrying places.

I number closed three times today and got one number. I'm happy because I fixed my number close problems and am also number closing confidently. Feels pretty great. I wasn't planning to number close one of the girls I was talking to but I pushed myself to do it anyways. I'm gonna number close as much as I can in the coming week.

I'm injecting a lot more playfulness into my interactions with women and getting them laughing. My previous interactions were missing this.

But...I'm feeling quite frustrated. Nearly all the women I'm approaching are ones that are most definitely not my type. I'm not even attracted to them. I'm only opening them for the practice. Even if I do get their number, I couldn't care less about going on a date with them. I might have to go on dates with these women just for the practice though. I don't know where I can find the artistic women I dream of in my city. I think I will have to go to museums and other artistic places.

When I do see women who I am in the slightest attracted to though (which is even less than occasionally) all of a sudden I get approach anxiety and I'm stopping and thinking about what to say and miss the chance to open them. This probably has to do with the fact that I don't have abundance mentality. Once again I'm going to have to push myself.

Funny interaction from today:

backstory: are you single?
girl: you can't just ask people that!!!
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Postby fog » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:54 pm

20 approaches today and I got 3 numbers. I am learning so much!

More people than ever of both sexes are bowing their heads when I walk by them. I'm also getting "looks" from some girls.

At this point I'm well aware of what a good open looks like. I've made some uncalibrated approaches that got me blown out hard/ostracized.

I'm also starting to become aware of the type of vibe I need to portray to become more successful. For some approaches I am quite clearly putting out a nervous/weird/creepy kind of vibe and girls just don't respond to it well. But girls are digging it a fuck ton when I'm putting out a relaxed yet engaging and playful vibe! It's just hard to nail this vibe every single approach, mostly due to the fact that I'm nervous I guess...

Uncalibrated conversations are also getting me rejected...like the conversations will just be composed of awkward topics, are choppy and don't flow the best (like opening indirect, then getting really nervous when I'm about to say something more direct, lmfao) ....this is due to nervousness once again. I need to start being more conscious of my conversations so I can remember them. Maybe I'll record them. Is that bad?

It doesn't feel quite right opening a girl in a crowd of people standing around. For example I was standing at the bus stop and was getting some approach invitations from this one girl. I started thinking "oh it will probably be awkward for her to have me start talking to her in this situation where all these other people are standing around watching" and "shes got earphones in anyways." These mindsets need to change because I regret not talking to her. I'll read up on what Chase has to say about this.

Today I number closed a girl even though she said she had a boyfriend. She said no. That was a first for me (number closing a girl with a boyfriend). I'm gonna number close no matter what now.

I feel like opening a girl with "are you single" is just....i dont know....unnecessary? I think this because, well....doesn't talking to a random girl in the daytime then getting her number, just kind of slot you into the boyfriend/lover zone automatically? A nice guy would probably never ever do that...GUYS who wanna be friends with girls just don't approach them during the day. Perhaps it's only necessary if you're going for same day lays.

Sooo, I'm considering not opening with the "are you single" line anymore. But the majority of the time I am saying it in a nervous/awkward way and the improper tone of voice which turns off women immediately. Of course they'll say no. However I think I'm gonna give it a few more chances, but experimenting with vocal tone.

Dropping the "are you single" line in the middle of the conversation is working out great though. I've been thinking about switching it and saying, "you're single, right?" I can't explain why I feel like it's better but... I just think it is. I will try it out tomorrow.
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Postby fog » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:55 pm

Bus Girl

Today I was going to get a haircut and was walking around at my school's bus stop. I was wearing a super bright jacket. This girl sitting down made eye contact with me. She had a sparkle in her eyes - I knew she wanted to talk to me. She was also wearing some bright clothing. I continued walking partly because I'm a pussy, and partly because I wanted to find out when my bus was coming.

I see my bus start to pull into the bus terminal. I open this chick and we're just doing some basic chit chat about how we look like we came from the 90s. I then go on my bus and sit down. I see her walking onto the bus and towards my seat. We're making eye contact and she's got this apprehensive, kinda puppy dog look in her eyes. I say, "hey! yea you can sit here :)" She sits beside me.

We're talking and the conversation isn't really going anywhere...it's kind of boring to be honest, despite me finding out she does creative stuff. The conversation dies naturally and I look out the window - she starts getting really awkward and nervous...she says "i guess i need to find out what transfer I'm going to take today." in my head I'm like "you just told me you're going home - you know what transfer you're going to take, you're just spewing stuff.

AT THIS MOMENT I knew for a fact that I had to change the vibe and tone of the conversation to maintain her interest. I started being really playful and engaging with her and telling her some stories and she got that sparkle back in her eyes. And started touching her a bit.Ahh, good. Patting myself on the back for that one. I get a thought in my head...should I number close her? I do and get her number and we continue chatting. But as I get her number I say "you're single, right?" she says "yeah." It was smooth and there was way less friction than if I would have asked "are you single?"

She was maintaining strong eye contact with me. At one point I noticed our upper legs were close to each other, but not touching. I moved my upper leg so that they were touching. What do you know, a few seconds later she starts pressing her upper leg strongly into my upper leg for a few seconds.

I was asking her to show me pictures of her previous work on her cell phone. She pulls out her phone and starts showing me, which I qualify her on. Then I got off the bus but before I got off the bus I said "I'd love to see some more of your work sometime" and she says "yeah it'd be really nice to catch up!"

CATCH UP? WHAT? I JUST MET YOU.

ahhh, I'm learning to never take what women say at face value. Whatever, she wants to see me again.

I feel like she definitely wants to fuck. Actively giving me approach invitations, wanting to sit with me on the bus, the touch, the eye contact...

Work Girl

Quick update on the girl from my work. I went into the store a few times and saw her around but never really said anything to her. Today I was there. I was browsing some books near the front of the store and she comes from the back of the store towards me and I call her over and say "you're single right?" She says, "no."

1. This was likely too bold of a line to use on her considering she is so shy
2. Because she's foreign, she probably didn't understand what it meant.

After this shes standing around rearranging some clothing right next to me then walks out of the store.....on her lunch break or something. Was she hanging around on purpose? Waiting for me to ask her if she was off work or something so we could go do something? I don't know, I don't care, I'm not gonna stress myself over it, it doesn't deserve any more of my energy. On to the next one I guess.

Fundamentals and stuff

As for my fundamentals, things are going pretty well. I've always struggled with my hair and finding a good style for myself. I've actually taken pictures of all new haircuts I've gotten over the past 2-3 years. There was one picture that I thought, "yeah this style definitely looks great on me" I went and saw a hairstylist, and showed her the pictures. She said, "yes I think that this style looks the best on you" and turns out it was the same one I thought was the best. I'm gonna have my hair like this for a while and see how women react to it.

My walk is excellent, I've been practising it like mad.

As for my clothing...I always look like I came out of some crazy music video from the 90s or something...and on days where I was dressing in really bright colours, girls would be like "do you always dress like that?" I took that as a sign I need to tone it down a bit. So I have been. I'm dressing around 1 statement piece now, instead of 2-3. Even though I'm dressed less flashy, I still get the "you're stylish" compliment quite often from men and women.

Going out to do some daygame.....will report back later
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Postby fog » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:39 pm

11 approaches today, 3 numbers and 1 insta date.

10 approaches a day is a great number for me to be doing. In 10 approaches I learn a lot....after I do this many, I'm often wanting to run home to write down all my observations so I can digest everything I've learned. I really wanted to do 100 approaches next week but we'll have to see.

2 of my approaches today felt great and amazing and both girls were really having fun too.

Here's how my approaches go right now:

Approach - Banter - Deep Diving - Lull/Silence - Deep Diving - Number Close

Towards the end of the first deep diving is where girls start checking their phones and say they have to go and leave. If it's an approach where everything is going well, there is (almost) always a lull in the conversation. Conversation just naturally dies off after a bit of deep diving and theres a silence that is not awkward for me, but it's clearly awkward for the girl. There could be multiple reasons why conversation is dying off. Here's what I started doing today that is really working for me:

Approach - Banter - Deep Diving - Banter - Deep Diving - Number Close

I'm gonna talk about some specific interactions now...

Boat Lady and Backstory Go On an Insta Date

She was sitting down on the sidewalk with her guitar. She was an older lady...with completely grey hair. I open her by saying this:
“i love your style! i just had to come say hi because it’s so unique"


This girl was a complete weirdo. I loved it. She reminded me of me a few years ago. As soon as I opened her, she lit up and started getting quite excited. We chatted a little bit then I asked her to stand up. We're standing and she's saying "Let's hang out! Let's go to starbucks!" We started walking to starbucks and I said, “youre single right??” she says “yes! are you single?” This really threw me off. This was the first time a girl had asked me if I was single. I was thinking what would be the best thing to say for preselection, “yeah I just broke up with my girlfriend.” Later she wanted to know why I broke up with my girlfriend so I made up some stupid story.

We're sitting in starbucks and she tries to sit across the table from me. I say "no, you're sitting beside me." (Thanks Seppuku). She sits beside me. We're chatting some more. She's holding strong eye contact and my hand is resting on her shoulder/arm for long amounts of time. As we are chatting I notice my body language is way too open. I'm literally facing her and leaning in and she's sitting facing the table. I readjusted my body language to be more closed.

The barista puts her latte down on the counter at the front. She says to me, "can you go get my latte?" I said, "no you can go get it yourself." She goes and gets it.

I take down her landline number. Apparently she doesn't have a cell phone. She's like, "Call me in the morning or the night! And if you don't reach me, just keep calling till you do!" Internally i was laughing...then she asks me to write down my number on a piece of paper so she can call me later if she has to.

Later I realized I was doing too much deep diving because she was starting to look too serious and things were getting boring. I started freaking out internally. Whoa whoa whoa WHOA what was I doing? Alert! SOS! I immediately start bantering her to get things light hearted again. She starts smiling and getting that sparkle in her eye that she had when she first met me. Then I said, "OK, we're going back outside now." I realized she was waiting for me to lead. This chick was like putty in my hands. She was doing anything I asked her to do. I need to start taking charge on dates.

Anyways we went outside and I got her to play a song on the guitar for me. Then I said goodbye. You know, I feel like she thinks I'm her friend....

Approach Invitation At The Bus Stop

I'm sitting on the bench at the bus stop and there is this cute nerdy girl, to my left. She is giving me approach invitations like mad - you know, looking around in THAT WAY. However she looks really shy and submissive. immediately my mindsets are getting in the way:

1. She's a bookworm and I don't know how to talk to bookworms
2. The bus is coming soon, there won't be enough time to even build some comfort with her to get her number because she's so shy.
3. It's already been like 5 minutes, it's too late to approach now...it would be awkward.

UGH. I get up and go check when the bus is coming. On my way back to the bench I make eye contact with her. She looks down shyly. Then her bus comes. As she's getting onto the bus, she turns around to look at me.

This honestly could have been an easy number close if it weren't for my mindsets. It seems like lately I am getting a lot of approach invitations at bus stops/IN buses. I haven't read chases material on this yet but I'm coming up with my strategy for it to handle these mindset issues and situations.

For example, let's say me and a girl are hanging around at a bus stop and I've been around her 5 minutes. It wouldn't be very smooth to open direct, rather it makes more sense to open indirect/situational. If I open direct, it will look like I've been thinking about saying this to the girl for 5 minutes, lol.

As for the limited time at bus stops, I'm gonna start using Chase's 2 minute number close technique.

I talked to a few bookworms today...I honestly don't know how to handle it because I'm such a contrast to them. I definitely come across as more of a loud party guy especially with my clothing.

Some Other Girl

I met this girl on tinder before....we were kinda bantering, but she mostly ignored me. I'll be honest - my tinder profile sucks. It doesn't really show my face. Then she started talking to me on facebook. We scheduled a date, but she flaked. My pictures on Facebook don't really show my face either.

Then today I saw her in the hallway and opened her. She was quite clearly into me. It was a really light fun hearted conversation with a bit of deep diving. Near the start of the conversation my mind was blanking so hard, I couldn't think of anything to say! I feel like she forgave this mistake because she was into me.

I got her number and here's how the initial conversation went:

Backstory: Hi bambie :) This is backstory. save my # in your phone.
Bambie: Don't tell me what to do ;)


My last three approaches of the day were blowouts where the girls just ignored me. This was definitely in part due to my strategy. I was standing around opening chicks as they walked by. Obviously it's not gonna work, I just look like some weirdo. I'll have to try different strategies.

There's so much other stuff to talk about too but this is the important stuff I learned today.

I guess the next step is to start setting up dates. I'm interested in seeing which girls flake and which don't. I wish to find out which stage I need to get to before the girl never (or rarely flakes). For example, if I do Approach - Banter - Number close, will they always flake?
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:03 pm

10 approaches today and 2 numbers.

I have completed my first 100 approaches. Here's the statistics:

Approaches: 100
Total number closes: 18*
Numbers Close Successes: 12
Number Close Failures (Had a boyfriend, not interested): 6
Insta dates: 1
Dates: 1*
Approaches that resulted in Conversations: 34
Approaches that resulted in Blow Outs: 66

*I didn't start number closing until after I had approached roughly 30 women.
*I haven't asked any of the women on dates yet, except for one today.

Can't wait to see what the next 100 approaches will be like...

More Bus Stop Stuff

I met a girl at the bus stop today, opened her indirectly. We got on the same bus and I said "sit with me?" She complied. We were sitting together and she was holding eye contact strongly with me, fluttering her eyes, trying to gauge my reactions... and she was giggling like a mad man for no reason. I assumed it was because she was attracted to me and there was a lot of sexual tension. I say to her, "Are you single?" She giggles nervously and says "no." We talk some more, I number closed her and got off the bus. I was feeling pretty cool, you know...a girl had never acted like this around me before. I was absolutely certain she was lying about being single and she just said no out of nervousness.

I texted her. Turns out she's leaving tomorrow to go out of town until the 19th. I tell her it would be cool to get to know her some more and that I'm leaving tooo. So we make plans to hang out tonight. I ask her to swing by my place so we can chat and listen to music. But she objects by saying we should go for coffee instead. At first I didn't know what to text back. Should I push for her to come over or should I just go for coffee with her, build some more comfort, then invite her back?

Well we went for tea. She would jump like she was electrocuted every time I touched her. And her body language was super closed off. It turns out shes a lesbian and she's in a relationship with a girl who lives out of town. Whaaat. Aw man she was cute. After I found out she's a lesbian and not single I just stopped touching her. After I stopped doing that she became a lot more comfortable and we had an amazing conversation and really connected.

I don't know what to think.

Lilacs in the Breeze

I was waiting to cross the street and this cute as heck asian girl with big sunglasses walks up and is waiting to cross too. She looked at me. I don't usually open asians, but I figured why the heck not. I opened with a observational opener...something like "wow it's hot out today." Our conversation turned out great, she was really playful and flirty. I said, "you're single right?" she says "yeah why are you asking?" i said, " you're just so cute and playful!" Lol...I shoulda said something better than that. She was okay with my touch and everything. Totally blanked halfway through and couldn't think of anything to say. This is happening more often than not. I need some lines to fall back on...I'll probably just start qualifying every time my mind blanks. Well finally, I remembered something to say and we continued chatting. I got her number and I'm kinda excited to see where it goes.

I was a little bit confused about eye contact though. I couldn't tell when she was looking away and when she was looking at me because of her sunglasses. I wanted to make it seem like I was holding eye contact but I also didn't want to stare at her for too long if she wasn't actually looking.

Gonna take the day off tomorrow (maybe) then gonna do a ton more approaches next week. I'm also pushing myself to schedule dates with all the women I got phone numbers from in my first 100 approaches, I'm curious to see if any of them will turn into lays. Some other things I'm doing: longer touches and being more direct
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:19 pm

today: 10 approaches which resulted in 8 conversations and 4 numbers.

Looking back in my personal notes, it seems that my approaches result in conversations about 50% or less of the time. I implemented Richard's "Singular Flow" technique today. I'm quite certain this is the reason behind the high approach/conversation rate today. It could be a fluke due to other factors, but I will continue to test it out and make observations. 4 numbers was a little bit unusual too for 10 approaches. That's around twice as much as I normally get in 10 approaches.

I'm feeling quite annoyed with myself because I purposely ignored 2 very clear approach invitations today. I regret not meeting these women. It feels so bad that I'm missing opportunities. I will no longer allow myself to ignore approach invitations anymore. I always freeze up when they happen and can't think of anything to say! But that doesn't matter. In these situations I don't have to say anything crazy. Just a simple hello will do.

Old Lady Blues


HOWEVER, I did capitalize on one approach invitation. I was sitting around at school in a hallway. There is no one in the hallway except me. This older lady comes walking down the hallway slowly. Suddenly, she sighs really loud. Lmfaooo. Of course she wants to talk to me. I say "That was a loud sigh!" Her face lights up and she immediately sits with me. I didn't even have to ask. Early into the conversation she compliments me on my style. Turns out she works at the school. This was my first set of the day. I was not warmed up yet. We had a great conversation - however I did not display my intent very well besides strong eye contact. She was being all wishy washy and hinting that we should get coffee sometime. So I said, "hey lets get coffee sometime." She agreed....and gave me her BUSINESS CARD. She didn't give me her personal number.

There was also this stupid frame that was set between us where she's the mom and I'm the son - something like that. This is a problem I'm facing when I chat with older women. I will have to analyze this further to see how I can improve.

Should I even pursue this older lady? And if so, should I contact her through email or telephone? I was thinking email is way better. I will email her asking her about her schedule and then schedule something RIGHT after she gets off work.

Silly Rejection

I was inviting another women on a date, here's basically how the conversation went:

backstory: Let's go for coffee sometime, it would be cool to hear some more of your travel stories!
girl: *scrunches face in disgust* no. I'm not interested. Besides, I'm a boring girl. There's plenty of other people to tell you travel stories.


Other Observations

Things were quite off today....I was a little bit too serious and wasn't being direct enough most of the time. And when I was direct, it was a little choppy and in the middle of no where. I'm really trying to figure out how I can drop lines like, "hey btw you're pretty attractive" or "you're single, right" right in the middle of the conversation without ruining the conversational flow. Usually what's happening is we'll be talking, then I randomly go direct, then change the subject back to what we were talking about before. Honestly, I would open direct but....IDK. I feel it's a little bit too much. brb while I go argue with myself in my head about this for the rest of eternity.

I find myself reluctant to open girls in pairs. I will work on this.

Lastly, I noticed a slight pattern that I'm not sure how to fix quite yet. I'll say something in the conversation and then the girl will all of a sudden lose a tiny bit of interest - but she will still be talking to me. I think I am accidentally making cold reads on them which they REALLY don't agree with....in fact, it's almost like I'm imposing my perception onto them a little bit. This happened twice today. Both of the girls it happened with were girls that were working. But I know it's happened before with girls who weren't working. Here's an example:

Backstory: It looks like it's gonna rain.
Girl: If it rains, it rains. I don't really care.
Backstory: That's a great mindset to have.
Girl: *loses interest, vocal tone changes* yeah.


Attainability Problems

I opened a girl today and umm...well......my attainability became too low during the conversation. That's all I need to say haha
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Postby fog » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:38 pm

I described meeting "Bus Stop Girl" in the friday june 2nd entry in my journal. I will call her Buffy.

Buffy came over tonight. I texted her asking her to come by my place. She showed up and we were sitting on my couch and talking. I was nervous as heck. I was trying to give myself excuses not to kiss her. In my mind I was thinking "her body language is really closed off - she doesn't want anything to do with you." But then I told myself to shut up and I kissed her neck a little bit. She says, "what was that for?" I gave her a sneaky smile and said "nothing." Later after talking some more we started making out. I was taking off her clothes but she seemed really hesitant and apprehensive and not into it.

I ate her out and fingered her but that's it. It was really boring and we just weren't clicking! She was really quiet. She was choking herself while I was messing around with her pussy. I wanna learn how to do that. I was nervous as heck too and couldn't get hard.

Later, randomly she blurted out, "I don't like when guys touch my tits too much." This surprised me because up until then she had been quieter than a koala sanctuary. I guess she wasn't into it because I was touching and sucking on her tits a lot. She seemed to like some of it....

I'm going to stop watching porn - it's getting in the way
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Postby fog » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:33 pm

After a few approaches today I realized something. I make a lot of abstract comparisons. The problem with this is that regular girls who are definitely NOT creative will have no idea what I'm saying or will automatically just think I'm weird. For example, today I approached a girl wearing a red shirt with polkadots:

backstory: hey! I love your polkadots
Polka Dot Girl: thanks! :)
backstory: it reminds me of strawberry shortcake.
Polka Dot Girl: ...


Another example was when I was on the bus and a girl and I were giggling because she had sat down on my jacket:

girl: I didn't want to sit on your jacket!
backstory: yeah, my jacket would have suffocated.
girl: ...


These are things that any creative person would totally get and laugh at. However I feel like it's too weird for your average girl. So I will stop saying these things around average girls and just be more normal.

I was chatting some more with polka dot girl and I made some sort of observation that made her lose interest:

Polka Dot Girl: I work at the research lab on campus
backstory: Ohh look we got a smarty pants over here. :)
Polka Dot Girl: Not really... *becomes more reserved*


I was TRYING to flirty and playful. I guess I should have found out more about her job before calling her smart...

Then, I asked her:

backstory: Are you a creative person?
Polka Dot Girl: No...not really....


Another mistake. Clearly if she didn't get my initial comment about strawberry shortcake, then she's obviously not creative. I shouldn't have qualified her on creativity. I should have qualified her on something else.

You know what though, sometimes I have been trying to qualify chicks on creativity when they are obviously not a creative person at all. So I'm gonna drop the creative qualifier as well, and just use it on chicks who give off more of a creative vibe.
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Postby fog » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:33 pm

Today I started approaching hotter girls than I normally talk to. It feels like a nice challenge - talking to average looking chicks was getting too easy and I was feeling too comfortable during my conversations with them, meaning I wasn't learning/pushing myself. I think the benefit of talking to attractive women is that I will get a great idea of how to improve my own fundamentals, especially in terms of body language/facial expressions.

Some unique situations today:

I walked up to a bus stop and got an approach invitation from this one girl as I was walking towards her, then I walked by her and was standing behind her. I was going to open her but there was this group of people standing nearly right beside her. If I had tried to reposition myself beside the girl, I would be getting in the way of the group and it'd just be a weird situation. If I opened her from the back, she was definitely gonna get startled. I was wondering...if I get an approach invitation from a girl, is she more likely to forgive me for an uncalibrated approach?

Also, I was talking to this girl who was with her friend. I tried scheduling a date with her, but she was acting wishy washy and gave me a "maybe." I got her number anyways.....when I texted her, she replied with "hellooo :)" Quite the positive reaction to me texting her. This made me think. What if she's interested, but didn't want to act too interested in me in front of her friend, so she played down her interest?

During this particular conversation, I did ask if she was single. However I realized that I did not use any compliance tests (like moving her somewhere) nor was there any touch. Even my eye contact was a little off. And something about this felt really wrong. As I look back on my first 100 approaches I can see a slight pattern. In approaches where I was verbally direct, but didn't touch the girl/do compliance tests the girl would be all flakey after getting her number. Perhaps being verbally direct while being non-verbally indirect causes the girl to think I'm creepy or something like that. This is definitely something to explore further but I will be making a greater effort to be more non-verbally direct as well as verbally direct.

I'm going to start going out in the evenings now. The daytime is too dead for my liking.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:27 am

Texting Observations

It might be worthwhile to experiment with the initial text I send girls after I meet them. Right now it's:

Hey [Girl's name]. :) This is backstory. Save my # in your phone.


Replies range from no answer.....to neutral e.g. "okay", "hey".... to positive e.g. "awesome!! "hey...sure backstory!!!" "hey backstory it was really nice meeting you today!"

A day later-ish, I will text them looking to set up plans or to further solidify the plans we were making in person. Sometimes I include something conversational, sometimes I'm not conversational at all. For example:

Not conversational:

Hey. What's your schedule like over the next few days?


Conversational:

Your weekend has been good, right [Girl's name]? btw what's your schedule looking like over the next few days?


I can't find any patterns related to this yet. The type of reply to my first text does not guarantee that the girl will answer my second text a day later.

Clothing

I'm getting comments like, "you're looking really sharp and put together today" and "i love your jacket. you're cute. the whole thing (your outfit) is cute!"

Chase mentioned that when you're dressing well, people stop complimenting on one article of your clothing and just start calling you handsome/put together and stuff like that. I know I'm on the right track and I'm going to start putting a lot of effort into the subtleties of my clothing. Small things like the colour of my shoelaces can make a huge difference.

Other

I've been learning that day game is a lot about making the girl realize that you're just a normal dude.

I was thinking that I should split my daygame sessions into two halves. The first half I will talk to any and every average looking girl and really pay attention to my conversations and how girls are reacting to what I'm saying. I want to increase my social calibration. I know that in my conversations, saying 1 wrong thing/being uncalibrated can ruin things really quickly. Because I'll be talking to girls I don't plan on going on a date with, it will ruin my stats a little bit but i dont care.

The second half I will be attempting to push my boundaries. Asking for insta-dates, talking to girls who are out of my league, etc etc.

I also have to figure out how I want to portray myself to girls through conversation. Sometimes they ask about me, and I don't really know what to say. I think I will just say I make art and travel.
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Postby fog » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:46 pm

I was at a small bar last night and saw this girl looking at me a few times. I went over to her and started talking to her. When I opened her, her face lit up. However she lost interest within a few minutes.

I was kind of kicking myself over it earlier. I had no clue why this girl would be seem interested in talking to me initially then go into auto rejection so quickly.

But then I was thinking…and noticed a pattern. There have been a few girls now whose faces light up when I start talking to them, especially the ones giving me approach invitations. Clearly they are happy to be talking to me. BUT they go into auto rejection fast. I am almost certain its because I’m not being direct with them enough. I need to move quicker and escalate fast with these girls. I’m happy I realized the pattern and have a strategy that I can test out now. Adaptability is a huge part of seduction.

I have been making some huge strides socially just in the past 24 hours. Its insane.

I noticed that body language/behaviour in social interactions is often influenced by social pressure. For example, let’s say that you meet someone and talk to them for a minute. Then the conversation dies. Maybe one, or both of the people will start fidgeting their fingers. Or maybe one of the people will start talking to themselves as a way to deal with the perceived awkwardness. Maybe they will adjust their position or pick up their phone and pretend to start texting.

I’ve noticed that I do these things. The fidgeting, fake texting, adjusting positions…it’s mind-blowing to me how often my behaviour is influenced by social situations.

I will no longer let social pressure influence my behaviour. I have been working so hard to become a more still, calm person in general, and I will work even harder to become a still, calm person who is not influenced by social pressure.

I’ve also been ironing out some things that make me an awkward person to talk to. I’ve been telling stories in the wrong way. I also bring up more personal topics early in the conversation that should be brought up later in the conversation, and make the other person uncomfortable by doing this. I also am not relating to other people enough.
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Postby fog » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:30 am

I'm visiting my hometown for a few days. Last night I was at a bar here. I was pretty drunk. I'm just so lost when it comes to night game, especially because I'm a quiet guy. I definitely feel like getting better at night game will help me in day game though. I really would love to go out 4 times a week to sharpen up some skills but I'm worried my body won't be able to handle it.

Regardless I was wandering around all night pushing myself to be as ridiculous and engaging as possible. I used some good techniques (especially chase framing) and made out with two girls.

The first girl had lost her friends. I started saying, "they probably are hooking up with some guys right now." She agreed with that. Then she wanted a sip of my beer. Well I wasn't gonna let her have it for free. I said "give my cheek a kiss and you can have a sip." She complied. A few minutes later we were making out.

The problem with my home town is that everyone dresses ultra conservatively. Guys wear hoodies and shorts when they go out at night. I showed up last night in a blue knit sweater with a thin faux fur jacket. Yes I realize it was a little too much for this sort of situation but I don't care man. Maybe if I was willing to be more socially calibrated and dress more for the situation then I'd have more success at night in my hometown.... My friend even said, "this shit (your clothing) doesn't fly here." Whatever though. Broads were rubbing my fur all night.

I'm getting more familiar with what to do when opening girls in pairs.

It's been a cool weekend so far. I'm going out tonight as well. I actually haven't done any day game since Thursday and it makes me sad. Can't wait to do some in my hometown today.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:52 pm

Things have been interesting - I am doing cold approaches in my dreams. As well sometimes in my waking life I find myself in conversation with a random girl and I don't even know how I opened her - I guess I am approaching on autopilot, lol...

I am going to be pushing myself quite hard the next few weeks to maintain some frames. For example most of the time I have a strong, slow masculine walk. However sometimes I break that frame and start walking fast and normal. There was even one incident where I walked up to a girl with a masculine walk and opened her. Later I was walking around normal and very quickly, and we saw each other again. I'm sure that I looked like a try hard poser! That cannot happen no more.

Sometimes I start talking at a fast pace. Bad bad bad. I need to hold the frame of slow talking. Once I can successfully maintain these two things I will be getting pretty close to being a sexy guy!

Later this week, I will be taking a trip out of town to a really big city to do some day game there. I want to visit other places so I can try out different sexual markets of different competitiveness and build more social calibration/reference points. I feel limited by the city I live in. I would do 100 approaches a day, every day if it was possible in my current city.

For the next little while I am going to focus on seeing exactly how much compliance I can get from girls during the day time. It is quite obvious to me that my game is lacking the use of compliance tests.

I think that I could benefit from talking and working with some clothing stylists. I feel that my fashion sense is currently the most developed out of all my fundamentals, and will likely be my first fundamental that reaches the advanced level.

Things are going really well and I am so motivated! I don't care how long it takes. I will become the man that women dream of. :)
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:53 pm

Today was great because a light bulb went off in my head after an approach...

...I realized that in some interactions, it's the girl talking about herself the whole time. She never asks anything about me. Then, I ask her for a date and her number, to which she complies. Except when I'm texting her and trying to get her out on a date, this girl probably has alarm bells going off in her head and she's thinking "whaaat...wait....i don't even know anything about this guy!! meh...he's not even worth it anyway" And she flakes or doesn't reply at all. And she's thinking this and acting this way because I didn't build ANY intrigue to get her even the slightest bit interested in me. But I didn't build any intrigue because, I haven't been setting up my conversations for her to ask me any questions. I am going to implement this right away and I feel like my flakes will go down drastically.

Here's a situation that has happened to me twice (but I think it's going to happen a lot in the future maybe): I open a girl with some banter, but she doesn't quite play along with it. Then she gets this really suspicious look on her face. When I see this I quit the banter right away. Then I ask her for her name and introduce myself to her, use the singular flow technique, then tell her what I'm up to currently (doing errands etc). When I do this the suspicious look disappears. She is still hanging around but acting neutral towards me. Eventually she warms up a little bit.

Why the suspicious look? Here's what I think: When a random, slightly nervous guy approaches a girl in the daytime and starts saying ridiculous things, alarm bells go off in her head. She thinks, "What does this WEIRD guy want? Is he safe?" But by immediately doing a 180 and getting a tad bit of compliance, showing her I'm a normal guy and relating to her, it puts her mind at rest and makes her realize that I'm not a threat.

I read Chase's ebook on flirting. Ever since then, flirting has just become so easy and fun for me. :)

There's a lot of techniques I want to put into practice RIGHT NOW. But when I'm out it becomes overwhelming for me and I'm not as inefficient because I don't know what I should practice. But I have 5 techniques that I know I want to implement and spend the next month getting good at. Compliance, baiting, cementing emotions (should also help flakes), anchoring and dealing with emotional disassociation. I need to be patient and implement one at a time.

I know I had talked about accepting approach invitations no matter what. And I hate negativity in my journal posts. But I declined multiple approach invitations today from one single girl because of a unique mindset problem that's going to be an easy fix. Ahem, I was at a graduation today with my family. I was going to be leaving to go back to my hometown in about 10-15 minutes when I got the approach invitation. I got some pretty typical thoughts, like:

- My family is around, and this girl's family is around too. What will my family think and what will her family think?
- She looks like she's in high school.
- It would be a behind the back approach, thus making it uncalibrated

BUT THEN I ALSO THOUGHT:

- I could get her number, but what's the point? I'll likely never see her again. Besides, I'm leaving really soon.

Bad bad bad mindset! Later I realized that I wasn't being adaptable. If this chick is into me, and we aren't going to be ever seeing each other again, then I should try to escalate really quickly, not get her number...what was I thinking!? Oh well, now I know what my strategy is going to be next time something like this happens.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:03 pm

No woman on the history of planet earth has ever told me I smelled good. Well maybe once years and years ago...but not in recent times. My smell is the only fundamental I have ignored up until this point. I'm not quite ready to drop the deodorants and stuff and make bitches wet as heck with my own natural musk......because I'm still a teeeeeeny bit nervous with women. I'm gonna change my deodorant and see if girls start telling me I smell nice.

When I was in my hometown my friend said something that really pissed me off. He's really good at social game where he slow games girls. I have no clue how he can move so slow with these girls but still bang them. Anyways... we were talking about this girl, who is a solid 6 (he's slow gaming her). He thinks she's really hot and wants to hook up with her. I told her I'm gonna bang her in two years and he laughs it off saying "yeah right." He genuinely doesn't think I stand a chance with this girl. This made me so mad. Because I know I can do it. I'll be getting chicks even better than this girl in two years time. I can't wait to see his face when I am getting so successful. I'm using what he said as a lot of motivation for me right now. I know this is a bunch of talk and talk doesn't mean SHIT but I PROMISE that I will walk the walk.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:29 pm

Compliance Tests

I learned a lot today. My focus lately is compliance as I mentioned in a previous journal entry. It's going well. I'm a little surprised about the things that girls will do when you ask them for compliance without justification, and I'm also surprised what they will do with someone they just met. I said, "give me your hand" to many girls today and every single girl I asked gave me her hand. I also asked one girl who was sitting down to stand up, to which she complied. This is often a situation I find myself in - I'm standing, and the girl is sitting. I would much rather prefer her to stand up than for me to sit down. I will ask girls to stand up more often. All my compliance requests/demands today were met, except for one. I asked a girl to take off her sunglasses but she wouldn't. It's clear to me why she didn't (things were a little off with my vocal tone and some other factors). I tried using hector's "No Buster" technique after she wouldn't take them off, but it didn't work. I probably used it wrong. All my compliance tests were platonic, although I am planning on getting a little bit riskier with things. Will girls in the daytime give me kisses on the cheek if I tell them to? Will they make out with me if I tell them to? Will they fuck me in the park in broad daylight if I tell them to? Of course they will.

Body Language During Interactions

My body language is getting pretty decent during opening and conversations. Here's what I used to do: I would open girls with relatively closed off body language. If she answered, I would immediately turn my body to face her. Now, I still open girls with relatively closed off body language, but when she answers I don't immediately turn my body to face her. The more compliance and investment she gives me, the more I turn my body to face her. Then I mirror her body language. If she's still very slightly turned away halfway through the conversation, then I will remain slightly turned away. If her body language is becoming increasingly closed, as in, it's looking like she's going to leave, then I do the same.

It feels good and right to be doing this and it doesn't feel like I'm chasing.

Beta Pain Really Hurts

Oh. There was this one interaction with a girl today that made me feel like such a beta and it hurt so bad. Afterwards I realized I was being a bit chasey.....here's what happened:

backstory: im not gonna take up any more of your time, i know you're on your break from work....
girl: awwww thank you! :) you're so kind.


Ewwww, I know I've used this line in some of my other approaches and I'm going to stop using it. It conveys that I'm a desperate, beta, nice guy. Also, I complimented her in this weird way in the middle of the conversation and it just felt so beta. These are the interactions that make me want to crawl into a hole and die.

Social Calibration

Ahh there was this group of kids walking around with their teachers. They were all stopped at a traffic light. I walk up behind them and heres what happens:

Kid 1: I like your shirt.
backstory: Thanks.
Other kids: *Turn around* Hi!!
Kid 2: I thought we weren't supposed to talk to strangers.
backstory: I'm not a stranger!
Teacher: He's a stranger at least (something like that, idk)


What I didn't realize until right after is that Kid 2 is a kid with some sort of special needs who didn't understand that I wasn't a threat and that me and the kids were having fun. It didn't make sense for me to address his objection in the way that I did - in fact, I probably looked a little dumb saying that. I probably won't be in this situation again but it is a good reference point.

Also I'm getting into conversations lately where I have no clue what to say or talk about. For example, this chick I was talking to today was really into human rights activism. I don't know shit about that! But tonight I will google "human rights activism" and find out all about this so I can have good conversations with future girls who just so happen to be activists

Spidey Senses

Sometimes my spidey senses start tingling and I don't listen to them. Then later I realize I should have listened to them. Always listen to your spidey senses!

15 Year Old Cockblockers

I was standing at the bus stop waiting to go home and these two 15 year old girls wearing booty shorts and the exact same tie-die shirt come around the corner and are yelling and screeching. Clearly they are trying to make a big ruckus or something...I have never seen anything like it. They start to walk towards me. They are walking by, and one of them has headphones in. I make some weird wavy quick hand gesture at her in order to get her to take her headphones out. I gotta stop using the weird wavy quick hand gesture though, it never works. Slow waves and eye contact always works better to get girls to take their headphones out. Anyways the girls start screeching and run away and disappear around the corner again. Then they are peaking at me from around the corner. I say "hey!! come over here! i wanna say hi :)"

They walk by me again and are just yelling "ew" at me. Lmao I was pretty amused by it. They go and disappear around another corner. I was thinking....these little girls are probably gonna show up again, so what I'll do is open the next chick I see and see how the little girls react.

I open the next girl I see (activist girl). Her and I are talking. Right in the middle of the conversation, the little girls come back:

little girls: *screeching* ewwwwww!!
backstory and activist girl: *body language turns slightly towards little girls*
little girls: ew.....are you two dating?
backstory: no, that's my accountant
little girl 1: shes a slut!!!! ewww!!!
little girl 2: keep your legs closed
Backstory and activist girl: ....
little girls: ... *run off*
backstory: that was weird....
activist girl: yeah..


Activist girl and I were calm while all this was going down. Huh, it was weird though. Why were these 15 year olds running around calling people names and stuff? I think maybe they are really horny and don't know what to do with all that energy. Although I would never have fucked them, I know I opened them wrong. I can speculate on what would have been the best opener for this sort of situation if they were my age. I think opening with something really dominant would have been appropriate.

Activist girl and I continued to talk after their intrusion.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:22 pm

Insane day today.

Picasso Lady

This was my first set of the day. I have been getting comfortable opening girls in the library at school. I walk into the library and immediately see this one girl sitting down with a cool sense of style. Her back was turned to me though. I walk up beside her and tell her I love her style. As I turn to look at her, I see she's an older lady probably in her late 40s early 50s. Her hair was grey. We start talking and it's going well, we're talking about our childhoods and stuff. The conversation drifts back to style. Then I say something like,

backstory: I have problems deciding the direction I want to go in with my style. I really want to be classy, but I also want to be quirky.
Picasso lady: Me too! I have the exact same problem!


She was acting really excited at this point and her face lit up like a christmas tree. It was A M A Z I N G. I knew she had reached the emotional hook point. This was the first time a cold approach has resulted in an emotional hook point for me.

As I mentioned this was the first set of the day and I wasn't verbally direct at all. And it's killing me...yes I did her number but she was talking about the next time we are going to meet up and she framed it like this:

Picasso Lady: I'm pretty busy this week with tests but we could get coffee sometime 15 minutes before class.


15 MINUTES!? THATS IT!? Ugh, well I know she has kids but I don't know if she's married. Whatever....I'm just going to have to force myself to be direct with older ladies.

Purple Shark

I was doing some thrift shopping, and opened up this really cute blonde indirectly. I accidentally messed up the approach and it was a tad uncalibrated. I said my opener, then looked at her 1 second later. I'm looking at her and she's not looking at me yet, I thought she was going to ignore me. Then all of a sudden she looks at me, we make eye contact, and she looks ultra startled and freaked out. I guess she was on autopilot initially. Anyways she ended up becoming quite warm immediately afterwards, but early in the conversation she mentioned she has a boyfriend.

I thought it was weird that she mentioned that she had a boyfriend, especially because I opened her indirectly. So I am thinking back on my previous interactions with women who mention they have boyfriends. A lot of them don't bring it up until I ask if they're single later in the conversation, or when I number close them. However, some (although it is rarely) bring it up right away. Why is this? I am almost certain that girls will bring up their boyfriend immediately when my approach is uncalibrated, as in this case.

5 Syrians

Later I'm walking in the park and open a group of 5. 4 girls, 1 guy. The girls are looking at me rather seductively. I opened indirectly, but they didn't seem too interested in talking. They didn't have good english. The one girl was like...interviewing me...but my eyes were on the one girl closest to me, who had initially given me the seductive looks, eyeing me up and down, and telling me I look really nice and stylish. I start getting really direct with her saying I find her attractive and stuff, touching her....well it turns out the 1 guy in the group is her boyfriend. Hahahaha. It was a pretty awkward set, but I'm just talking about it because I think it was interesting that I was acting so bold. I haven't been this direct in day game before.

Quick Number Close With Ice Cream Lady


I'm downtown and I'm walking by this group of three girls who are loading some shit into a cab. They had set up some sort of lemonade/freezie/food stand to raise money for some shit but now they were tearing it down and going home for the day. One of them (girl 1) opens me and says, "Hey would you like a freezie? We have a bunch left and they need to go."

So I'm humming and hawing like a FUCKING IDIOT over whether I want a freezie or not and talking to girl 1. Then I look to my side and girl 2 is just looking at me with this sparkle in her eye. I've never seen this look before. She looked like she was super ultra intrigued by me, but also attracted to me, and also looked like she had already reached the hook point. So I talk to her for literally 20 seconds, getting her name and stuff then number close her. This was my quickest number close ever. She says she doesn't have a cell phone, but I can add her on Facebook. So then I ask her, when are you free? She says she's free alll the time.

Now, a few things to point out here. I wasn't verbally direct....and when I asked her if she wanted to go for coffee, immediately her body language went closed off and she got nervous. I can't remember if she still had the look on her face. I think it was an attainability problem more than anything. I said goodbye, gave her a shoulder touch, and scooted out of there. My conversations were not that smooth today, I realized that and didn't wanna screw things up so that's why I left so quick.

Anyways, the fact that she said she's free all the time was interesting to me. When I added her on Facebook, her cover photo shows her kid. How could this girl be free all the time if she has a kid? WELL, HERE'S WHAT IT MEANS. Girls who say they are free all the time LIKE YOU A LOT and WANT TO BANG YOU AND HANG OUT WITH YOU.

I'm interested in seeing where this goes. This was nice after experiencing a few blowouts in the downtown area just 10 minutes before.

Grocery Store

I ended up at the grocery store to buy toilet paper. As I'm walking in, theres this group of 2 girls 20 feet in front of me and one of them gives me a look. I wasn't sure what the look meant, but my spidey senses were going off. I didn't open them right away. I went and got my toilet paper, then I went looking around for the two girls. I find them quite easily and open up the one who gave me the look:

backstory: hey, I just have to tell you, I think you're very attractive.
girl: *Indifferent* thanks.


This was the first time I ever opened direct like this before, and was 100% confident about it. I mean, I've opened with "are you single" but it was just always awkward. I never told a chick straight up I find her attractive. Felt great. Anyways, she was willing to talk with me, but she was acting really neutral throughout the whole conversation. Eventually I was asking about logistics. Turns out she's from toronto and they are just in my city to visit their friend for grad. At first I'm thinking....it's not even worth talking to her anymore, even if I do get her number then I'll never see her again.

BUT THEN I REMEMBERED THE GIRL FROM MY brother's GRAD AND I THOUGHT...backstory!!! go for the same day lay!!

So I ask her what she's doing tonight, and she's a little bit hesitant and looks towards her friend. Her friend says, "yeah we are going to X city tonight." So what do I do? I exit the conversation shortly after, and didn't bother to get her number. Right after I exit the conversation I was kicking myself because the friend could have just been trying to cockblock and I could have just said, "let me grab your number and we can hang out if you don't end up going" or something like that. oh well now I know for next time.

Last Thoughts

As I said today was so amazing and I was being way more direct than usual. Unfortunately my conversational skills were a little bit awkward but I really made up for it with my clothing. When I wear this particular outfit, nearly every single woman I talk to (whether young or old) calls me stylish and starts checking me out. But it's also young and old men that I'm getting compliments from too. Now I know... if you have style, you will get compliments from people of all genders, races, and ages. I want to be stylish all the time.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:23 pm

No More Coffee Closing

Right now I'm telling girls I want to get coffee with them when number closing them. I'm gonna experiment with changing this. Instead I'm going to start telling them I want to hang out with them instead. It's a lot more ambiguous...going for coffee is a very specific frame, but hanging out is a more general frame. When I say "hanging out" to a girl, she will make her own frame in her head of what we will be doing. In her head, she might frame the next time we hang out as having sex, and thus she will give me signals that she wants to fuck, and then I can tell her to come to my place. But if she frames it as though she needs to get to know me better, then yeah I will suggest coffee. It's great because she will be telling me what she wants and I'll lead her towards it. There's some other thoughts I have on this but I can't put it into words.

Nervousness

Thinking back on yesterday, I realized how nervous I was in my interactions where I was more direct. Usually, my nervousness shows up through the tone of my voice. My voice was fine though. Here's the signs of nervousness I noticed:

1. The flow of conversation was fast, and not slow.
2. I couldn't stand still. I was shuffling my feet a lot.
3. I was raising my left arm in an L shape, and holding the elbow of my left arm with my right hand.
4. Laughing

The way I eliminated my nervous behaviour while opening women indirectly was by opening lots of women indirectly and running my conversations on autopilot while actively managing my nervous energy. I will do the same with opening directly.

I haven't been meditating lately but I'm going to get back into it, I know it will help. I just need to slow down in general. My walk is a little bit too rushed. Even my writing is too rushed!

I think one of the benefits of getting good at being direct is that I will become familiar with when it's okay and when its not okay to be direct. I'll be able to turn up the heat properly when necessary.

Feelings of Fakeness

I don't feel prepared. I feel like my game does not match my fundamentals. And my game + fundamentals do not match my sexual ability. There's some incongruence between these three areas. I really wish all three of these factors were at the same level. It almost makes me not want to work on my fundamentals. How will girls feel when they meet me, and I am an amazing man, but the sex sucks!?

Recording My Conversations

This is gonna be a lot of work to record my conversations, transcribe, and analyze them to find patterns, but it will be a great way to improve ridiculously quick.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby Lover » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:13 pm

backstory wrote:Feelings of Fakeness

I don't feel prepared. I feel like my game does not match my fundamentals. And my game + fundamentals do not match my sexual ability. There's some incongruence between these three areas. I really wish all three of these factors were at the same level. It almost makes me not want to work on my fundamentals. How will girls feel when they meet me, and I am an amazing man, but the sex sucks!?


For this particular matter, I think you will find this thread worth a read (:
Sexting is one of the most stress relieving actions you can ever do. Probably even more if she also sends nudes

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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Thanks a-jay.

I was at a small house party last night - I got there at around 11PM. I didn't have the chance to build up any social momentum before going. I knew this was gonna be an obstacle.

I get there and I see this one girl (hannah) I've met once before briefly. She says to me that she sees me all the time at my work but shes afraid to say hi. I grab her hand and I'm holding onto it telling her there's no need to be scared and that I don't bite that hard.

I sit down on a couch (outside) and she's on a chair close to me and I'm chatting with her some more. She's telling me about her tattoos, and we're talking about the fact that she wears her glasses down a bit, instead of wearing them properly. I tell her she looks sexier with them down. Then this bozo comes and sits beside me on the couch and just starts blabbing to me and everyone else. I start not paying attention to him much, but the girl is looking over at me a few times. I didn't re-engage her. I wanted to see if she would re-engage me.

Eventually I just went inside and I'm talking to other people. Hannah comes inside and spills a beer. I am standing beside her as we are watching people clean it up. Her and I make eye contact. I look at her with a sexy smile on my face and she turns her head away and down. I ended up walking away.

I was thinking....she seems to be interested, but shy..and I was thinking about how she said she's scared to say hi to me. I thought, hmmm..maybe this is an attainability problem. My attainability is too high and she's intimidated by me. So I walk up to hannah and give her a compliment on the dress she's wearing. Lmfao. I really do like her dress. Then I start deep diving her a little bit. In the middle of deep diving I say, hey lets go sit down somewhere. So we go and sit down somewhere. Except she sits far away from me with sort of closed off body language. So we're talking, except the conversation gets really boring and she's not contributing much and just seems really mellow and calm about it all. Then the conversation dies off and there's a silence. She doesn't say anything, she just leaves the couch.

This is truly frustrating to me, I wish I had figured out why she's afraid to talk to say hello to me when she sees me at work. I wish I was a tad more direct and that I hadn't waited for her to re-engage me initially.

Although this was my main issue last night I did learn some stuff from other interactions.
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Postby fog » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:10 pm

A New Type Of Approach Invitation?

I put together this interesting outfit - its very hipster-y - and I've worn it twice now. Each time I've worn it I have got women looking at me in a different way. I'll be standing somewhere and they will glance at me quickly. I can see it out of the corner of my eye. Then, shortly after, they will start looking in the distance with me in their peripheral. For example I was ordering food at this taco place. The girl who is in front of me glances at me, then a few seconds later and she turns her head and stares at the ceiling of the back of the restaurant. AHEM, LADY, thats weird.... why would you be looking back there like that?

I didn't approach either of the women, I'm going to see if this keeps happening when I'm wearing this particular outfit and if so I will approach and see how they feel towards me. I feel like they are interested in what I'm wearing but don't necessarily find me attractive. Or maybe they want to get a REALLY good look at me but it would require staring.

Directness

Today I tried spam approaching with direct openers. The interactions didn't last very long, because I ejected early on purpose. I was just getting comfortable with direct openers. The fact that I was ejecting early then approaching another chick in under 30 seconds gave me a strong sense of outcome independence, which I realized I am usually sorely lacking. For one chick, I opened her by telling her she was attractive, then later on in the conversation I asked if she was single. I can't believe I'm doing this in the day time ahhahaah....

Regular Approach Invitations

I used to not approach 100% of girls who were giving me approach invitations. I really explored my mindsets around this...why wasn't I doing it? I've almost conquered this problem though. I now approach every girl I think is giving me an approach invitation, even if it's not actually one. For example...girl gives me eye contact for a little bit longer than normal? Definitely an excuse to approach.

There's also girls who hold eye contact then look away in annoyance. I wonder what this means. I will find out. :) Also there's girls who roll their eyes at me haha. I think that's a little bit funny. I think I know why they are doing that.

Girl and Her Mom

I approached a girl today, and I'm talking to her then I realize she's with her mom. I was shocked and ejected, ahhahaha. I have had a lot of reservations about opening girls who are clearly with their mom or dad. I am going to explore my mindsets around that and figure out why I don't want to do it. I feel like the mom and dad will get pissed or it will be awkward. I shouldn't care though. That's their problem.

Random Thoughts

Girls are always so warm and receptive initially when I open them. This is a good sign! I'm going to another house party tonight and I'm gonna MAKE SURE I have some social momentum built up before I go.
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Postby fog » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:36 pm

Compliance on Buses

I was sitting on the bus and there was a girl sitting across from me. She seemed really restless and nervous. Couldn't stop moving her fingers and stuff. We made eye contact a few times and there were smiles involved. I couldn't stop thinking about how impersonal it is to have a conversation on the bus with someone who is across the aisle from you. Then I thought HMMMMM this could be a good compliance test:

backstory: hey, come sit with me?
girl: why....? *giggles*
backstory: it will be fun.
girl: *smiles* no thanks *giggles more*


Now obviously the reason I provided was not the greatest. By saying it will be fun, she still has no idea what I want from her. Yes I actually could have had the justification planned out in my head beforehand but the more I think about what I'm gonna say (in general) the more i start overthinking things, whether it be opening chicks or planning responses or whatever. Overthinking is bad - it results in me becoming a pussy and not doing things. I think it's best to just open/say things and then learn from the mistake later.

A better justification could have been... "i wanna get to know you a bit better." lame, but more clear than "it will be fun"

Frothy Gothy

This was an interesting situation. I remember saying I wasn't gonna open girls wearing earphones anymore. Well I was walking by this girl wearing earphones at the bus stop and we were making eye contact and shit so I opened her anyways. We're talking then I'm thinking...bACKSTORY GET THE LOGISTICS. so I ask her if shes waiting for the bus, she says yes. I knew time was running out but I wanted to get to know her a tad bit more before number closing her. My spidey senses were going off: "don't number close yet!!!" A bus comes, slows down, and goes by. She says, "that was my bus."

She missed her bus to talk to me and she said that she had nothing planned for the rest of the day so it was okay. It was cool she was interested enough in me to miss her bus though. I did get her number after another few minutes of conversation although I really should have gone for an insta date. I feel like I should have rewarded her (is that the correct word?) greater for missing her bus for me.

While I was talking to her I was thinking if I should get her to make out with me. And when I was closing her, I asked if she wanted to go for coffee, then corrected myself and said we should hang out sometime. It appears that it is already an unconscious habit to ask for coffee, looool. I totally forgot to set up a time and place on the spot, but I will do that through text right after this. Here's the initial text exchange:

backstory: hey there frothy gothy. :) it's backstory. save my # in your phone
frothy gothy: done :) cute name



I'm starting to find a slight pattern in replies to my first text and interest level, but I can't be sure yet.
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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:04 pm

Sour Frizz

I was at a party last night and was talking with a chick who was pushing my skill level. Her and I had met at a party about a year ago and she had a boyfriend at the time. Regardless I got her number anyways but she pretty much was rude to me when I texted her.

Then I matched with her on tinder. We started talking May 1st. Here's how the initial conversation went:

Sour Frizz: o helloh
Sour Frizz: fancy running into you here
backstory: this keeps happening...lol
Sour Frizz: does it?
backstory: yea, yet another pisces (in her profile it said she was a pisces)
Sour Frizz: oh, lucky you.


Then I didn't reply to her until June 8th:

backstory: haha sour frizz, i don't think lucky is the word to describe it.
backstory: you were in europe for a bit?
sour frizz: pisces are the best. yes i was in europe for a bit
backstory: hmmm, are they?
backstory: why europe, sour frizz? why not south america or australia...why choose that particular continent to visit?
sour frizz: because my mom has always wanted to go to italy so we went together. and I'm young so i still have lots of time to see the rest of the world.


I wasn't sure about the initial conversation....was she trying to qualify herself to me? I didn't bother replying after the last thing she said because it was just a boring conversation to me...idk.

But then, as I mentioned, I saw her at a party last night. I was standing inside, near the door, and she was standing outside. She's talking to me from outside and I get her to walk inside to come talk to me. Then I move her really quickly back outside and I'm standing really close to her:

sour frizz: why were you acting like being a pisces was a bad thing?
backstory: i wasn't
sour frizz: yes you were, you were like..."hmm, are they?"
backstory: lol i didnt mean it like that.
sour frizz: ohh okay
backstory: whats the defining characteristic of a pisces anyways?
sour frizz: they have two personalities.
backstory: hmmm, interesting. the defining characteristic of my sign is that I'm stubborn.
sour frizz: what's your sign?
backstory: guess
sour frizz: idk maybe a saggitarious or an aquarius
backstory: naah im a taurus
sour frizz: taurus and aquarious are super compatible
backstory: i know


I really could have steered the conversation in a sexual direction here... i coulda been like "compatible in what way??" with a sneaky smile. Another compliment:

sour frizz: you're very strange, but in a good way. I like it.


While I'm talking to her, I notice she's very....cold. Like emotionless...unfriendly. It's not a good feeling for me. Somewhere in our conversation I comment on it and she tells me it's just a front. So then I start thinking that I should try to make her comfortable with me so she opens up a bit more emotionally. Because I know she's interested in me, but maybe not comfortable yet. So I initially start talking to her a bit more about her trip to europe, but then I start wondering why I'm trying to get to know her at a party. Like I should be bantering with her or something. I really wasn't sure what to do. So in the middle of talking about europe I say:

backstory: youre the second hottest girl at this party
sour frizz: who's the first?
backstory: i can't tell you, that would take all the fun out of it.


Soon after that we start getting in all sorts of frame battles. She's challenging me on everything I say, like for example we were disagreeing on how to pronounce "pisces" and she was otherwise trying to get me to submit to her frames. I did not bow to her frames and made her submit to one of mine. It was really intense - there was a lot of tension and I was starting to not know what to do. I started smiling to relieve the tension which I believe was a slight mistake (she was not smiling in the slightest). During this time I told her to give me her hand, then I looked at her palm and gave her a palm read, then I twirled her around. So but then, we start talking about childhood and its tough because she's still being all testy and cold. We are maintaining eye contact and she says:

sour frizz: is this a staring contest?
backstory: yes


SO we're just staring at each other and not talking and then I start moving closer and closer to her like I'm going to kiss her and she turns her head away. I wasn't actually going to kiss her, I just wanted to create more tension. Shortly after that I excuse myself by saying, "I'll talk to you in a bit." I left because I didn't know what to do. I go inside and talk to my friend for a while, then in my peripheral vision I notice her leaving. A little while later on tinder I say,

backstory: where did you run off to *eye roll emoji* we didnt finish talking
backstory: btw you're sooo green (talking bout my synesthesia)
sour frizz: what do you mean by green? i had to drive a friend home


And that's where it ends. With a bunch of unresolved tension....I did very well initially... moving her, asking for compliance, touch, push and pull, getting her to lean in to talk to me..all in like ten minutes time..but I will need to read up on these cold girls who put that shit up as a front. I know they turn into kittens eventually.

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Re: backstory's frontstory

Postby fog » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:27 am

Tonight Frothy Gothy and I hung out. I met her yesterday at the bus stop. Here's the continuation of our text conversation that I posted yesterday:

(June 17th)
backstory: i forgot to ask....what's your schedule like over the next few days?
Frothy Gothy: I'm free tomorrow evening, busy monday, free after that
backstory: ok lets hang tomorrow evening. what time is good for you? i was thinking 7ish 8ish
(June 18th, 3:36)
Frothy Gothy: 7 works for me
(June 18th, 5:17)
Frothy Gothy: Does tonight still work for you?
backstory: yessss. swing by my place? i want to hear more about your writing!
Frothy Gothy: ah swing by my place instead ? I'm getting a small foster dog tonight
Frothy Gothy: where abouts do you live though?
backstory: reaaaaally close to Location A. what about you?
Frothy Gothy: reaaallly close to Location B.
backstory: ok frothy gothy
backstory: what's your address?
Frothy Gothy: 12345 Street
Frothy Gothy: ill meet you down in the lobby
backstory: alright I'm taking the bus so ill be a while but ill let you know when I'm close
Frothy Gothy: ok :)
Frothy Gothy: are you close?
backstory: i know you're impatient to see me :) but i just got on my first bus. ill be there in 30ish
Frothy Gothy: hehe ok


I was considering hanging out with a different girl tonight who was married. I wasn't sure if I should tell frothy gothy to come over or if we should go for coffee or something. Because she'd only known me for 7 minutes. So I was surprised when she was receptive to hanging out alone, in a house. Except it was her house. And I wasn't sure if I wanted to go to frothy gothys house. But i thought it'd be a good reference point, and besides..frothy gothy is hotter and she was giving off lots of good signs. Re-engaging to see if we're still hanging out, mirroring my language, and replying well to my chase frame.

I get to frothy gothys place and we are sitting at her kitchen table chatting. After a while I realize that I'm leaning in to her too much, so I sit back. Then she starts talking about how this person is going to drop a dog off at her place. And I'm thinking hmmm should i have made a move already? we could just start fooling around and then when the dog comes we can stop and she can go down and get him. I decided it would be better to wait until after she got the dog. But some nice sexual tension was being built and we would be staring at each other even if we weren't talking. However, she starts telling me that she tried killing herself and that she went celibate for a year. I also posed this question:

backstory: if you could either be 200 pounds fatter for the rest of your life, or get your genitals cut off, which would you choose?


To my surprise she chooses the former option. She's really starting to seem like a girl who isn't really into sex.

Eventually she gives me a tour around her apartment building. Up until now, she's mentioned it twice about how I should come back sometime. I wasn't really listening, but I think that's what she said. I was worried I was in the boyfriend zone. We're in the movie theatre (in an apartment building? no way) and I use this exact line on her that I used last night with sour fizz:

backstory: you were the second hottest girl i saw yesterday
frothy gothy: who was the first?
backstory: i cant tell you, that would ruin all the fun


Sooo we are just about to leave the movie theatre and i'm feeling really attracted to this chick. Yes there was eye contact and there was touch but I wanted to let her know I MEANT BUSINESS. So we're leaving then I say stop, walk up to her and I kiss her neck a little bit. She says,

frothy gothy: what was that for?
backstory: nothing


I think I said nothing...anyways, every single time I kiss a girl on the neck randomly, she replies with "what was that for?" I'm gonna have to come up with a good response.

We go back upstairs - the dog and his owner hasn't arrived yet - and we go in her room. We are sitting on her bed. I lean in (the lean in was a tad too far, I'll admit) to kiss her. She turns her head and says:

frothy gothy: don't.
backstory: don't what?
frothy gothy: don't kiss me.


I was unphased and just continued the conversation from before. I really shoulda flashed her a "i know you want me" look but whatever. We continue talking. After this I can't really remember the sequence of events...but she was starting to be a little bit more touchy with me. Giving me random touches and stuff.

So the dog's owner comes and drops off the dog and we are back in her apartment. I start looking at bus times and figuring out when I'm gonna leave, and tell her the time I'm leaving. I use a lot of time constraints in my game...I wonder if they are doing me any good. She opens the door to her bedroom and invites me in. She gets under the covers and lays down and I am on top of the covers. Then I get under the covers with her. We were talking about a bunch of stuff. We ended up having a conversation about women and sex and society. I used the opportunity to tell her it sucks that society thinks that sex is not normal for women, and that women shouldn't be considered a slut just because they like sex. She throws out a test:

frothy gothy: how many people have you slept with?
backstory: today? not many
frothy gothy: nooooo! tell me
backstory: how many people have YOU slept with?
frothy gothy: i dont keep track


Looking back I realize that her getting under the covers was an escalation window. We're both under the covers, and I'm tired and don't want to miss my bus, because then the cab ride home will be a lot of money. I'm thinking, HOW CAN I ESCALATE? well I started rubbing her arm. Then I pull out my phone and I'm finding out when the bus comes, I tell her that I gotta go in 40 minutes. She says:

frothy gothy: okay let's have a nap


I start escalating more, touching her more and more and eventually we start kissing. I start rubbing her boobs from over top of her shirt, but then she throws out some resistance and tells me to stop. So I brought out an escalation ladder. After she told me to stop rubbing her boobs, i went back to just rubbing her arms and back. Then I tried for the boobs again, and she let me rub them this time. I pulled up her shirt and was playing with them and sucking them, then she told me to stop, and pulled her shirt back down. So I went back to making out with her and rubbing her tits over her shirt. It continued on like this for a while. I didn't manage to get any of her clothes off but I did rub her pussy for a little bit.

Eventually I just stopped escalating.... because I was rubbing her pussy for the second time, and she said stop. And after that, I went back to rubbing and kissing her tits, but she told me to stop that too. Bleh I was tired of it and didn't know how to escalate further if she wouldn't let me at all! I just started lying there and she started cuddling me, hahahaha.

Then I left and she tried to make out with me again before I left, but I teased her and didn't kiss her.

Ahhh, soo...that's the end of that story. I'm surprised that I'm getting results from day game. The LMR tonight was annoying but it was to be expected considering I only met this chick yesterday. I'm sure I could have beaten it but I'm not that knowledgable on LMR so I will study and learn and employ some tactics next time. And she was being all boyfriend-y with me too. The cuddling, her trying to kiss me before I left, and her projecting us hanging out in the future makes me think I'm in the boyfriend zone. That could have contributed to the LMR too.
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